Mafia 57 Matrix

[BunnyGo]

By the way @Hamilton. When you're done figuring this exercise out. Try it again with Bismarck's comment above and my response.

[Jamiet99uk]

Dammit sorry Bunny thanks. It's just language we've been using for so long but you're right to correct me.

[Hamilton Brian]

Are you, though?

DemonRHK is lynched now, and it's ok to talk about it.

What was happening?

Without going into setup (because I need to keep going back and forth on it) there was a scan that came back false.

[therul]

Going to suggest I'm reading Jamie and Bunny as town.

I'm not saying Nanook is scum, but I don't feel their contributions are pro-town.

I have said this since day 1. It helps not knowing people I guess.

I have caught up again...
Lots to think on.

But I am going with a gut vote. I need to go back and think on why it is screaming at me to do so.
##vote bismark

[BunnyGo]

Dammit sorry Bunny thanks. It's just language we've been using for so long but you're right to correct me.

I mean it gently. I've been doing it myself and catching it before posting. The reminders are only meant as friendly ones.

[BunnyGo]

Are you, though?

DemonRHK is lynched now, and it's ok to talk about it.

What was happening?

Without going into setup (because I need to keep going back and forth on it) there was a scan that came back false.

Explain what you mean? Details. Specificity.

[Jamiet99uk]

Are you, though?

DemonRHK is lynched now, and it's ok to talk about it.

What was happening?

Without going into setup (because I need to keep going back and forth on it) there was a scan that came back false.

One half of that is correct.
One half of that is the exact opposite of what Damo claimed.

[BunnyGo]

Oh, and question 4 @Hamilton:

Why do the answers to the first 3 questions suggest that Demon was the one who played D2 the worst of everyone (@ghug, yes even worse than Damo)?

[ghug]

Oh, and question 4 @Hamilton:

Why do the answers to the first 3 questions suggest that Demon was the one who played D2 the worst of everyone (@ghug, yes even worse than Damo)?

It's likely he didn't mean to do it, but the way he made himself appear to be caught scum actually makes people's interactions with him really telling.

[BunnyGo]

Oh, and question 4 @Hamilton:

Why do the answers to the first 3 questions suggest that Demon was the one who played D2 the worst of everyone (@ghug, yes even worse than Damo)?

It's likely he didn't mean to do it, but the way he made himself appear to be caught scum actually makes people's interactions with him really telling.

Who is the "he" in your post? I'm having pronoun troubles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlzCPxxp8Ys

[BunnyGo]

Oh, and question 4 @Hamilton:

Why do the answers to the first 3 questions suggest that Demon was the one who played D2 the worst of everyone (@ghug, yes even worse than Damo)?

It's likely he didn't mean to do it, but the way he made himself appear to be caught scum actually makes people's interactions with him really telling.

I think you need to try answering question 3 first...

[ghug]

@HB, why were a couple of pointed questions enough to get you to figure damo out when people have been talking openly about Millers and scans since it happened?

[ghug]

Oh, and question 4 @Hamilton:

Why do the answers to the first 3 questions suggest that Demon was the one who played D2 the worst of everyone (@ghug, yes even worse than Damo)?

It's likely he didn't mean to do it, but the way he made himself appear to be caught scum actually makes people's interactions with him really telling.

Who is the "he" in your post? I'm having pronoun troubles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlzCPxxp8Ys

The person who got daykilled as a result of a scan, obviously.

I reject the premise of question 3 (and Bismarck's scumslip, for that matter).

[BunnyGo]

It's likely he didn't mean to do it, but the way he made himself appear to be caught scum actually makes people's interactions with him really telling.

Who is the "he" in your post? I'm having pronoun troubles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlzCPxxp8Ys

The person who got daykilled as a result of a scan, obviously.

I reject the premise of question 3 (and Bismarck's scumslip, for that matter).

REALLY? Wow. Why's that?

[goldfinger0303]

Oh, and Bunny as a reward for noticing me I'll go back to ##vote emc

I still think after last night's Q&A session emc is scum, but after the flips this morning, I think executing emc today will lead us to scum no matter what.

Option A) emc is scum -> Bunny is scum, HR is probably scum
Option B) emc is Town -> HR is town, Bunny is Town, Theflyingboat is scum

I got to option B by looking at EOD wagons. There were 4 lone wagons at EOD. HR, Chaqa, worcej, and Theflyingboat. Based on games I've played, it's pretty sure one of them is scum. Two we know now were town. HR moved at the last second. I don't think scum would purposely move to lynch a town at the last minute and expose themselves, unless it were to save a scum buddy. Perhaps emc was a super bad role to lose D1, like Encryptor or Security Agent. Worth giving scum reads to goons to save them. I just don't see any other reason why at the last second scum would get off a perfectly safe, explainable vote.

So if emc flips town, I think we have a good two strong town reads, and a very likely scum.

If emc flips scum (which is far more likely imo) we will probably get one or two extra along with it.

The only potential hole in this hypothesis is Temasek.... unfortunately though it's a big hole.

Hi Gold, is there any reason you think I am scum other than I was on a lone wagon EOD 1? I think the explanation I gave Flum when he checked in on me that I simply lost home internet for a day (good ol' Spectrum) is a pretty decent one for why I was stuck on a placeholder vote cast early on in the day.

You've generally been lurking, and almost all of our lurkers are now dead. It's a bit of POE.

If you could've been online and changed your vote, who would you have voted for and when?

[ghug]

Who is the "he" in your post? I'm having pronoun troubles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlzCPxxp8Ys

The person who got daykilled as a result of a scan, obviously.

I reject the premise of question 3 (and Bismarck's scumslip, for that matter).

REALLY? Wow. Why's that?

Cause I said so.

[ghug]

Oh, and Bunny as a reward for noticing me I'll go back to ##vote emc

I still think after last night's Q&A session emc is scum, but after the flips this morning, I think executing emc today will lead us to scum no matter what.

Option A) emc is scum -> Bunny is scum, HR is probably scum
Option B) emc is Town -> HR is town, Bunny is Town, Theflyingboat is scum

I got to option B by looking at EOD wagons. There were 4 lone wagons at EOD. HR, Chaqa, worcej, and Theflyingboat. Based on games I've played, it's pretty sure one of them is scum. Two we know now were town. HR moved at the last second. I don't think scum would purposely move to lynch a town at the last minute and expose themselves, unless it were to save a scum buddy. Perhaps emc was a super bad role to lose D1, like Encryptor or Security Agent. Worth giving scum reads to goons to save them. I just don't see any other reason why at the last second scum would get off a perfectly safe, explainable vote.

So if emc flips town, I think we have a good two strong town reads, and a very likely scum.

If emc flips scum (which is far more likely imo) we will probably get one or two extra along with it.

The only potential hole in this hypothesis is Temasek.... unfortunately though it's a big hole.

Hi Gold, is there any reason you think I am scum other than I was on a lone wagon EOD 1? I think the explanation I gave Flum when he checked in on me that I simply lost home internet for a day (good ol' Spectrum) is a pretty decent one for why I was stuck on a placeholder vote cast early on in the day.

You've generally been lurking, and almost all of our lurkers are now dead. It's a bit of POE.

If you could've been online and changed your vote, who would you have voted for and when?

I don't follow this line of reasoning at all.

[BunnyGo]

1). Damo was SO quick to start the DRHK wagon, and then so many of you seemed to read something in it that made you jump aboard. Was Damo implying something valid?

Yes. It works like this:

1. There is a way of scanning to see if someone is the chosen one.
2. BUT, scum also have a role which can impersonate the chosen one for the purposes of that scan.
3. BUT, there is also a "miller" who scans as "chosen one" even though they are neither the chosen one, or the impersonating scum. The miller is unaware that they are the miller.

Based on 1,2, and 3, I invite you to do some thinking and work out what appears to have happened.

2). The flip of DRHK as town; my immediate lambic-system read of that is Damo made that wagon so hard, that indicts Damo. But that's got to be too simplistic; does that then focus attention to the other band wagoners?

The conclusion you draw in relation to the first question should help you to think about this second question.

3). Some of you are thinking all of the wagons from Day 1 were town. Why?

I do not think that. I think EMC is scum. So I cannot comment on that.

@Hamilton did you read this post?

[BunnyGo]

Hi Gold, is there any reason you think I am scum other than I was on a lone wagon EOD 1? I think the explanation I gave Flum when he checked in on me that I simply lost home internet for a day (good ol' Spectrum) is a pretty decent one for why I was stuck on a placeholder vote cast early on in the day.

You've generally been lurking, and almost all of our lurkers are now dead. It's a bit of POE.

If you could've been online and changed your vote, who would you have voted for and when?

I don't follow this line of reasoning at all.

Oh good, it's not just me.

[BunnyGo]

There's too much WIFOM in that question and I don't want to contribute to scum's decision making.

Ok. Think about it and tell us what your answer would have been after EON.

Good to know you're not planning to NK me.

@gold, I don't know why, but I remember feeling off about this post. Like he's protesting too much. It was also during a high snark Jamie period.