Mafia 57 Matrix

[bo_sox48]

##vote Hellenic Riot

Certain about this one too?

Nope

What are you basing this uncertain vote on?

[bo_sox48]

Don't worry, I'm not going to kill you. If whoever is controlling that virus kill is actually inclined to listen to me, I'd suggest killing someone more informative next time. The day one wagons are a decent starting point.


Fox is my strongest scumread, but it's not very overwhelming at this point. I'd like to not lynch damo, Jamie, bo, or gold today. I townread Bunny too, but it's waning a bit and I think he'd at least make an interesting wagon.

I take this post to mean you do not suddenly scumread Jamie or me.

Wouldn't you like to know?

Part of me missed you and part of me wishes I could have NKed you N1 like you so obviously anticipated.

[Tom Bombadil]

I don't think that's an accurate depiction. Probably 3/4 of my posts are productive at this point.

If I'm scum, why aren't you voting for me?

Really, this is your response? It’s like 2 hours into the day and you are implying it is suspicious I haven’t planted a vote yet?

That's quite a defensive response. I just wanted somebody to vote for me. Now I find it odd, so I'll repeat the question: why aren't you voting for me?

No specific reason I guess. I dunno? I can vote for you. I don’t think it will carry much weight. I want to reread EOD before I place a vote. And I’m currently golfing so...

[Tom Bombadil]

Ghug is probably scum.

I’ve got some good feelings on townies. Still not a lot of scum reads unfortately. Enjoying the weather - more soon.

Who do you have town reads on and why?

Townread HR, damo obv, therul, bosox. To a lesser degree Fox

[ghug]

I take this post to mean you do not suddenly scumread Jamie or me.

Wouldn't you like to know?

Part of me missed you and part of me wishes I could have NKed you N1 like you so obviously anticipated.

I'm glad one of us is glad we're both here.

[BunnyGo]

Back in a while. Question for anyone who can field it:

Why target worcej?

Probably the same reason they roleblocked him, because they thought he had an action.
Why you are still playing dumb?

##vote Bunny

Not playing dumb--I wanted to see who and how responded. But I think you're saying the following:

1) They RBd him because they suspected he was PR or virus
2) Since the virus killed last night (and tonight) they knew worcej wasn't virus
3) So they killed him, because he was as towncleared as damo (almost), and also not a virus (damo could be the virus; we're you RBd last night damo?)


If so, may I suggest to the NEB and virus that they may wish to randomly hold shots to throw scum team off? We'd much rather they hit virus and not get a NK, and a town NK hasn't been so useful yet (basically the NEB is burning our miskills for us).

[ghug]

Back in a while. Question for anyone who can field it:

Why target worcej?

Probably the same reason they roleblocked him, because they thought he had an action.
Why you are still playing dumb?

##vote Bunny

Not playing dumb--I wanted to see who and how responded. But I think you're saying the following:

1) They RBd him because they suspected he was PR or virus
2) Since the virus killed last night (and tonight) they knew worcej wasn't virus
3) So they killed him, because he was as towncleared as damo (almost), and also not a virus (damo could be the virus; we're you RBd last night damo?)


If so, may I suggest to the NEB and virus that they may wish to randomly hold shots to throw scum team off? We'd much rather they hit virus and not get a NK, and a town NK hasn't been so useful yet (basically the NEB is burning our miskills for us).

If damo is the virus, I take back all my whining about how he played yesterday.

[BunnyGo]

Back in a while. Question for anyone who can field it:

Why target worcej?

And/or Chaq (but this one seems more obvious)

Oh yes good save. How is this one more obvious?

Scum aren't likely to target a lurker who nobody townreads. This seems to be the NEB/Virus shot.

[Hellenic Riot]

I remember you being a good town player who often led town - right now you are just joking around with everyone.

Also I feel pretty strongly that HR is town, so let’s not vote him.

Why?

1) his interaction regarding the possibility of damo being scum seemed sincere.
2) I think he has been willing to say what he is thinking in the moment.
3) he correctly townreads me for very similar reasons as the other time we played. I don’t think he would be pocketing me as he apparently doesn’t remember playing with me. We were both town. I lasted deep into the game and while he scumreads were shit, HR said I played well because I was really easy to townread - and a similar instance is happening here.

Interesting, I certainly don't recall that game but I do like easy townreads.

Slightly strange turn of events, though I don't think it's a huge surprise scum didn't kill damo. It does shine D1 into a different light however, so there's some read adjusting to do there. The fact that almost all the EoD1 wagons were probably on town with a probable maximum of one scum wagon means that there's a pretty good chance a lot of the scum were not involved in the EoD votechanging bonanza.

On the flipside, neither of my two main scumreads are dead, and both are doing the barest of minimums. I'm quite down with a ##vote Nanook here, as there's some very notable inconsistencies there now:

Inconsistency #1: The early vote to 'break the tie' and ensuing statement about how easy it is to get reads off people's reactions to such an event... But there has never been a single Nanook attempt to actually read into the EoD1 and the fact that a tie very nearly happened. If it's such a good source of reads, where are they? It's not like you've not been prodded about exactly this analysis enough times, either.

Inconsistency #2: Following on from that, Nanook develops a strong scumread on DemonRHK out of nowhere at the start of D2 on the justification that Nanook 'hated their play D1'. DemonRHK was not involved in all the vote-flopping D1, and was only minimally around at all at EoD. Not once D1 did Nanook suggest they hated DemonRHK's play - Or indeed so much as place a single thought about it at the time. Where's the sudden hate come from?

Inconsistency #3: At the start of D2, Nanook posts that they think posting at night is bad for town so they won't be doing it as their explanation for their absence N1. They then spend the entirety of N2 shitting on DemonRHK and then shitting again on anyone who hadn't fully understood the setup. Aside from how bitterposts sniping at town is just scum coast strategy 101, there's also the fact that Nanook himself felt the need to query Damo's initial 100% vote on Demon - guess reading comprehension issues only apply to other people



As for my other reads: Tom's still very town, goldie & Bunny also look quite town, and I don't really think Hamilton Brian was forcing that confusion last night so I'm leaning town on him too. Bismarck's still scum, and there's also probably at least one scum in the people doing literally nothing (Temasek, TFB, & therul, though the latter is a different kind of nothing). And I suspect that if there was a scum-driven wagon D1 it was the damo wagon, and therefore rdrivera is also someone to keep an eye on.

[Jamiet99uk]

@BunnyGo: Could you please answer Goldfinger's question about your read on me apparently changing quickly?

[BunnyGo]

@BunnyGo: Could you please answer Goldfinger's question about your read on me apparently changing quickly?

I didn’t see it.

But I’ll answer: I just have a REALLY hard time reading you. You fool me a lot. I have no strong read either way, but I’m doubting my earlier town read.

[BunnyGo]

I’m still waiting on anyone else to do EOD1 analysis.

I have some thoughts. But would like someone else to go digging too.

[Jamiet99uk]

@BunnyGo: Could you please answer Goldfinger's question about your read on me apparently changing quickly?

I didn’t see it.

But I’ll answer: I just have a REALLY hard time reading you. You fool me a lot. I have no strong read either way, but I’m doubting my earlier town read.

You didn't see it?

It was this question:

Who do you townread Bunny?

damo. Nanook. Gold. Jamie. therul. ghug.

Not on a computer right now, so I can't put the other post in easily. But bunny, your reaction to my reads was interesting.

I listed Tom, ghug and Jamie as townreads. You said you disagreed with all my reads besides ghug.

What changed about Jamiet in those few pages between this post of yours and EON?

[Jamiet99uk]

I’m still waiting on anyone else to do EOD1 analysis.

I have some thoughts. But would like someone else to go digging too.

I think that EMC was saved.

[Jamiet99uk]

Let me do some of those coloured vote count summaries, one momemt.

[BunnyGo]

I’m still waiting on anyone else to do EOD1 analysis.

I have some thoughts. But would like someone else to go digging too.

I think that EMC was saved.

Then we should get him today.

[BunnyGo]

Let me do some of those coloured vote count summaries, one momemt.

:thumbs-up:

[therul]

I am no where near caught up. Ugh

[Tom Bombadil]

Remember when Jamie didn’t understand how the Chosen One worked? I intially thought it was funny because he was yelling at people not to narrow the pool for scum and then immediately outed himself as not the chosen one.

But revisiting that, I find it hard to believe that scum Jamie would not know the setup were he in a scum daychat. He could fake that to get townread like I’m doing now, but I lean town because of this.

[Jamiet99uk]

DAY ONE

flash2015 (5) - Tom Bombadil, summit_fever, e.m.c^42, Hellenic Riot, BunnyGo
damo666 (4) - DemonRHK, rdrivera2005, bozotheclown, BismarckAlive
e.m.c^42 (4) - Jamiet99uk, damo666, flash2015, goldfinger0303
BunnyGo (3) - bo_sox48, Foxcastle, Hamilton Brian
summit_fever (3) - Nanook, therul, ghug
bozotheclown (1) - TheFlyingBoat
ghug (1) - Chaqa
goldfinger0303 (1) - worcej

DAY TWO

DemonRHK (13) - Nanook*, damo666*, BunnyGo, Jamiet99uk*, BismarckAlive*, rdrivera2005, bo_sox48*, DemonRHK*, goldfinger0303*, Foxcastle*, worcej*, Temasek22*, Chaqa*
Chaqa (1) - ghug
BunnyGo (1) - Hamilton Brian
Tom Bombadil (1) - therul