M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Balki Bartokomous]

I see Foxcastle and rdrivera are both not voting, waiting for the best vote to save themselves. That may be NAI, but it is a little concerning.

Isn’t it weird that Fox wouldn’t suspect rdrivera at this time? Isn’t it weird that rdrivera doesn’t suspect Fox at this time?

The Day 3 vote of EMC, followed by votes away from EMC on Day 3 is cray cray.

@Bunny and @Bozo, I’m just not sure why this doesn’t concern you more. I don’t know how to get through to you.

@Damo, I guess the same goes for you, but you seem to be coming from such an anti-Town place, I am having a hard time seeing you as possibly Town.

rdrivera has said he suspects Foxcastle, and he voted for Foxcastle D4, so I do find it suspicious he seems to be backing off on voting Foxcastle.

However, you did not answer my question, do you think both Foxcastle and rdrivera could be scum? xorxes pointed out that they would be unlikely to vote together like that D3 and D4 as scum teammates.

Yes, I absolutely think they can be teammates. Scum vote together sometimes, especially when it is so clearly in their win condition to do so, and it’s even more likely when there is a prevailing thought on a site that they wouldn’t do so.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Is it unlikely because it would be too obvious?

It does seem to me that they would want to distance themselves from each other if they were the 2 remaining non patient zero scum.

Or stick together because people might think that. Who knows?

[Fluminator]

@Jamiet, I don’t know what to tell you man. I’m trying to play mafia. I’ve tried to explain my case the best way I know how. I even apologized to you directly for my tone. Sounds like everyone wants me to leave. You’re going to have to do your best to deal with me until I’m gone.

Remember that anything Fox says about you isn't genuine if he's scum

[BunnyGo]

I see Foxcastle and rdrivera are both not voting, waiting for the best vote to save themselves. That may be NAI, but it is a little concerning.

Isn’t it weird that Fox wouldn’t suspect rdrivera at this time? Isn’t it weird that rdrivera doesn’t suspect Fox at this time?

The Day 3 vote of EMC, followed by votes away from EMC on Day 3 is cray cray.

@Bunny and @Bozo, I’m just not sure why this doesn’t concern you more. I don’t know how to get through to you.

@Damo, I guess the same goes for you, but you seem to be coming from such an anti-Town place, I am having a hard time seeing you as possibly Town.

I don’t mind the Fox wagon. I mind the rdr one. I’m staying on kgray. But that’s because Fox doesn’t need me.

[bozotheclown]

Isn’t it weird that Fox wouldn’t suspect rdrivera at this time? Isn’t it weird that rdrivera doesn’t suspect Fox at this time?

The Day 3 vote of EMC, followed by votes away from EMC on Day 3 is cray cray.

@Bunny and @Bozo, I’m just not sure why this doesn’t concern you more. I don’t know how to get through to you.

@Damo, I guess the same goes for you, but you seem to be coming from such an anti-Town place, I am having a hard time seeing you as possibly Town.

rdrivera has said he suspects Foxcastle, and he voted for Foxcastle D4, so I do find it suspicious he seems to be backing off on voting Foxcastle.

However, you did not answer my question, do you think both Foxcastle and rdrivera could be scum? xorxes pointed out that they would be unlikely to vote together like that D3 and D4 as scum teammates.

Yes, I absolutely think they can be teammates. Scum vote together sometimes, especially when it is so clearly in their win condition to do so, and it’s even more likely when there is a prevailing thought on a site that they wouldn’t do so.

Maybe, but why D4 when avoiding lynching emc was not that critical?

[kgray]

I see Foxcastle and rdrivera are both not voting, waiting for the best vote to save themselves. That may be NAI, but it is a little concerning.

Isn’t it weird that Fox wouldn’t suspect rdrivera at this time? Isn’t it weird that rdrivera doesn’t suspect Fox at this time?

The Day 3 vote of EMC, followed by votes away from EMC on Day 3 is cray cray.

@Bunny and @Bozo, I’m just not sure why this doesn’t concern you more. I don’t know how to get through to you.

@Damo, I guess the same goes for you, but you seem to be coming from such an anti-Town place, I am having a hard time seeing you as possibly Town.

I don’t mind the Fox wagon. I mind the rdr one. I’m staying on kgray. But that’s because Fox doesn’t need me.

This is terrible. If you're going to stay on my wagon you need to do that because I'm you strongest scumread.

[Fluminator]

Can both rdr and fox be scum?
I'll think about it more if we lynch one and they're scum. Otherwise it might end up being a waste of brainpower.

[kgray]

Maybe, but why D4 when avoiding lynching emc was not that critical?

If we hadn't lynched emc we wouldn't have known that D3 was town vs. scum. How does that not matter to you more?

[damo666]

I see Foxcastle and rdrivera are both not voting, waiting for the best vote to save themselves. That may be NAI, but it is a little concerning.

Isn’t it weird that Fox wouldn’t suspect rdrivera at this time? Isn’t it weird that rdrivera doesn’t suspect Fox at this time?

The Day 3 vote of EMC, followed by votes away from EMC on Day 3 is cray cray.

@Bunny and @Bozo, I’m just not sure why this doesn’t concern you more. I don’t know how to get through to you.

@Damo, I guess the same goes for you, but you seem to be coming from such an anti-Town place, I am having a hard time seeing you as possibly Town.

I don’t mind the Fox wagon. I mind the rdr one. I’m staying on kgray. But that’s because Fox doesn’t need me.

Where do you think the Fox and rdr votes will end up? Stay where they are????

[Foxcastle]

Especially if you are town, this needs to be our last game together. Jamiet made some criticisms of your play that I would echo. You come off continually as condescending and egotistical—I can deal with the other personalities on this site, but something about yours resonates with me at a harmful frequency.

I'm going to try to forget this game now.

Well that’s not very nice.

I don’t play here very often, and I’ll take this to heart and start clear. Have a good one.

It was not my intention to be unkind, I'm sorry if you took it that way. I was just explaining my experience.

[BunnyGo]

Isn’t it weird that Fox wouldn’t suspect rdrivera at this time? Isn’t it weird that rdrivera doesn’t suspect Fox at this time?

The Day 3 vote of EMC, followed by votes away from EMC on Day 3 is cray cray.

@Bunny and @Bozo, I’m just not sure why this doesn’t concern you more. I don’t know how to get through to you.

@Damo, I guess the same goes for you, but you seem to be coming from such an anti-Town place, I am having a hard time seeing you as possibly Town.

I don’t mind the Fox wagon. I mind the rdr one. I’m staying on kgray. But that’s because Fox doesn’t need me.

This is terrible. If you're going to stay on my wagon you need to do that because I'm you strongest scumread.

You are. Read better. I just don’t mind Fox. But I’m staying on you in hope people come back.

[bozotheclown]

Maybe, but why D4 when avoiding lynching emc was not that critical?

If we hadn't lynched emc we wouldn't have known that D3 was town vs. scum. How does that not matter to you more?

I understand that point, but from a scum perspective, avoiding lynching a town is not important enough to make yourself look suspicious.

[BunnyGo]

Isn’t it weird that Fox wouldn’t suspect rdrivera at this time? Isn’t it weird that rdrivera doesn’t suspect Fox at this time?

The Day 3 vote of EMC, followed by votes away from EMC on Day 3 is cray cray.

@Bunny and @Bozo, I’m just not sure why this doesn’t concern you more. I don’t know how to get through to you.

@Damo, I guess the same goes for you, but you seem to be coming from such an anti-Town place, I am having a hard time seeing you as possibly Town.

I don’t mind the Fox wagon. I mind the rdr one. I’m staying on kgray. But that’s because Fox doesn’t need me.

Where do you think the Fox and rdr votes will end up? Stay where they are????

Honestly? Yes.

But if people leave Fox, I hope they come to kgr and not rdr.

[kgray]

I don’t mind the Fox wagon. I mind the rdr one. I’m staying on kgray. But that’s because Fox doesn’t need me.

This is terrible. If you're going to stay on my wagon you need to do that because I'm you strongest scumread.

You are. Read better. I just don’t mind Fox. But I’m staying on you in hope people come back.

That is not what you said. Write better.

[kgray]

I don’t mind the Fox wagon. I mind the rdr one. I’m staying on kgray. But that’s because Fox doesn’t need me.

Where do you think the Fox and rdr votes will end up? Stay where they are????

Honestly? Yes.

But if people leave Fox, I hope they come to kgr and not rdr.

Dude, he meant where are Fox and rdr going to vote.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I don’t mind the Fox wagon. I mind the rdr one. I’m staying on kgray. But that’s because Fox doesn’t need me.

This is terrible. If you're going to stay on my wagon you need to do that because I'm you strongest scumread.

You are. Read better. I just don’t mind Fox. But I’m staying on you in hope people come back.

Enough vote manipulation. Cast a vote like you mean it.

[Fluminator]

If EMC gets lynched, I won't be ranting to the God thread about how bad the town is because I understand that one.

I think I'll stay on Rdrivera though.

1. Switched off Bob (scum) onto EMC eod 3. Did it in a sneaky way by voting someone else between the switch for a small time. No matter how much someone can smoothtalk it, it looks bad on paper.

2. One of the only players (others being Fox and EMC) to never try to engage with or interact with Bob. Scum partners usually try to avoid contact to avoid associative tells or awkward scum vs. scum interaction.

3. I'm always looking for towntells in people, and since day 1, he's had no thoughts that I see more likely coming from a clueless townie perspective. Call this one gut.

4. I've struggled following his thought patterns all game, and seeing a logical progression that town would have. (For example, saying that at least two scum probably bussed Bob, but we should lynch on the EMC wagon - even though there are only 2 buddies in the know) If he was town, I'd feel like he'd realize stuff like this before being pointed out.

5. He'll say stuff and go back on them when convenient for reasons that seem weak to me.

Bunny, can you comment on my case on Rdrivear?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Maybe, but why D4 when avoiding lynching emc was not that critical?

If we hadn't lynched emc we wouldn't have known that D3 was town vs. scum. How does that not matter to you more?

I understand that point, but from a scum perspective, avoiding lynching a town is not important enough to make yourself look suspicious.

I think it is in this case. The EMC flip really should have been a eureka moment for much of the town. Oh my God — it was 7-6 TvS — imagine how exciting that last hour would have been for Scum who knew that was happening at the time. That’s when people are most readable now that we know the flips.

[xorxes]

Fox and rivera should make a meaningful vote if they're town.

[BunnyGo]

This is terrible. If you're going to stay on my wagon you need to do that because I'm you strongest scumread.

You are. Read better. I just don’t mind Fox. But I’m staying on you in hope people come back.

Enough vote manipulation. Cast a vote like you mean it.

I DO mean it! I’m on the #2 wagon. I want it to be #1. The #1 wagon is my 2nd choice. This is my vote. It won’t move unless rdr is #1 and fox #2.