M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[bozotheclown]

This may sound reasonable, but it could also could be a fabricated excuse as scum.

And you think it's more likely that I'm scum because I laid out my case for emc and Chaqa once they were already wagons than it is that Fox is scum who tried to save Bob D3 and then later didn't want us to know that D3 was town vs. scum?

I agree that looks bad for Foxcastle, but based on my experience with him, I would not expect him to move his vote around so much and draw attention to himself as scum. Even though I have no experience with how you play, you only voted twice D3, once for Chaqa and once for emc.

When you told Foxcastle you would move your vote back to Chaqa if he kept his vote there, why didn't you?

[kgray]

This may sound reasonable, but it could also could be a fabricated excuse as scum.

And you think it's more likely that I'm scum because I laid out my case for emc and Chaqa once they were already wagons than it is that Fox is scum who tried to save Bob D3 and then later didn't want us to know that D3 was town vs. scum?

I agree that looks bad for Foxcastle, but based on my experience with him, I would not expect him to move his vote around so much and draw attention to himself as scum. Even though I have no experience with how you play, you only voted twice D3, once for Chaqa and once for emc.

When you told Foxcastle you would move your vote back to Chaqa if he kept his vote there, why didn't you?

Because Fox didn't say he was going to stay there, and I still thought it was going to be either emc or bob.

[bozotheclown]

I see Foxcastle and rdrivera are both not voting, waiting for the best vote to save themselves. That may be NAI, but it is a little concerning.

[kgray]

@bozo what do you think about the D4 votes, and specifically the push on xorxes? Do you think that Fox comes out of that looking townie or scummy?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I see Foxcastle and rdrivera are both not voting, waiting for the best vote to save themselves. That may be NAI, but it is a little concerning.

Isn’t it weird that Fox wouldn’t suspect rdrivera at this time? Isn’t it weird that rdrivera doesn’t suspect Fox at this time?

The Day 3 vote of EMC, followed by votes away from EMC on Day 3 is cray cray.

@Bunny and @Bozo, I’m just not sure why this doesn’t concern you more. I don’t know how to get through to you.

@Damo, I guess the same goes for you, but you seem to be coming from such an anti-Town place, I am having a hard time seeing you as possibly Town.

[damo666]

I see Foxcastle and rdrivera are both not voting, waiting for the best vote to save themselves. That may be NAI, but it is a little concerning.

Isn’t it weird that Fox wouldn’t suspect rdrivera at this time? Isn’t it weird that rdrivera doesn’t suspect Fox at this time?

The Day 3 vote of EMC, followed by votes away from EMC on Day 3 is cray cray.

@Bunny and @Bozo, I’m just not sure why this doesn’t concern you more. I don’t know how to get through to you.

@Damo, I guess the same goes for you, but you seem to be coming from such an anti-Town place, I am having a hard time seeing you as possibly Town.

from my pov that must be a scum in the 3 but I find it hard to choose between them

[damo666]

*there

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't like either of the two lead wagons.

It has stopped raining so I'm off out for my daily government-approved exercise walk. I will be back in time for EoD.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I see Foxcastle and rdrivera are both not voting, waiting for the best vote to save themselves. That may be NAI, but it is a little concerning.

Isn’t it weird that Fox wouldn’t suspect rdrivera at this time? Isn’t it weird that rdrivera doesn’t suspect Fox at this time?

The Day 3 vote of EMC, followed by votes away from EMC on Day 3 is cray cray.

@Bunny and @Bozo, I’m just not sure why this doesn’t concern you more. I don’t know how to get through to you.

@Damo, I guess the same goes for you, but you seem to be coming from such an anti-Town place, I am having a hard time seeing you as possibly Town.

from my pov that must be a scum in the 3 but I find it hard to choose between them

Scum in which three?

There are only two live players who ended on EMC day 3 and then tried to prevent an EMC lynch on Day 4 from your point of view. RdRivera and Fox.

Who are the “three”?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I don't like either of the two lead wagons.

It has stopped raining so I'm off out for my daily government-approved exercise walk. I will be back in time for EoD.

Why don’t you like the Fox wagon?

Why don’t you place weight on the day 3 votes? We now know that we barely lynched Scum, 7-6. Anyone who was on the Bob side, could have easily saved Bob by voting for EMC. Why doesn’t this form a huge part of your reads?

[damo666]

+ k (ie emc voters without me or J)

[damo666]

##vote Fox

[Balki Bartokomous]

@rdrivera,

Please talk to us about your Fox read. Give us as much detail as possible. This is important.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo what do you think about the D4 votes, and specifically the push on xorxes? Do you think that Fox comes out of that looking townie or scummy?

It does not look that good for Foxcastle, considering what he said earlier D4:

EMC day 3 voting is very odd. He keeps to minor wagons when he could be voting Bob to relieve pressure on himself and only votes Bob once it was inevitable one of the 2 were for the chop. Also , why didn't Bob vote EMC?

All this indicates to me EMC is a more valuable scum than Bob.

##vote EMC

Join me. I'm pretty well convinced.

I think EMC is likely scum, but in the last game when he was scum, he also did not vote his main counterwagon to save himself, so...

Bob vanished 9 hours before EOD. He made a point of establishing a case on Chaqa several hours before that. I don't see anywhere he mentions EMC, who was the leading wagon at the time both when he voted and when he was still around making posts. (His case was looking at D2 wagons and voters, though, where EMC wasn't present.)

I'm going to stick on Balki for now, but if he doesn't take off, I think EMC is a good choice.

[damo666]

Sorry, I thought EOD was in 14 mins. In UK we have just moved to BST. I just assumed it was 6.00pm UK time.

May struggle to be here EOD so you can assume my vote stays on Fox.

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't like either of the two lead wagons.

It has stopped raining so I'm off out for my daily government-approved exercise walk. I will be back in time for EoD.

Why don’t you like the Fox wagon?

Why don’t you place weight on the day 3 votes? We now know that we barely lynched Scum, 7-6. Anyone who was on the Bob side, could have easily saved Bob by voting for EMC. Why doesn’t this form a huge part of your reads?

Balki to be quite honest, the main thing that makes me reluctant to vote for Foxcastle is because the person relentlessly tunnelling him is you, and I absolutely cannot stand the self-righteous, oh-so-clever, condescending tone and style of your posts. You are actually distracting me from having a proper opinion on Foxcastle. Literally, if you'd shut up, I might consider him.

[bozotheclown]

I see Foxcastle and rdrivera are both not voting, waiting for the best vote to save themselves. That may be NAI, but it is a little concerning.

Isn’t it weird that Fox wouldn’t suspect rdrivera at this time? Isn’t it weird that rdrivera doesn’t suspect Fox at this time?

The Day 3 vote of EMC, followed by votes away from EMC on Day 3 is cray cray.

@Bunny and @Bozo, I’m just not sure why this doesn’t concern you more. I don’t know how to get through to you.

@Damo, I guess the same goes for you, but you seem to be coming from such an anti-Town place, I am having a hard time seeing you as possibly Town.

rdrivera has said he suspects Foxcastle, and he voted for Foxcastle D4, so I do find it suspicious he seems to be backing off on voting Foxcastle.

However, you did not answer my question, do you think both Foxcastle and rdrivera could be scum? xorxes pointed out that they would be unlikely to vote together like that D3 and D4 as scum teammates.

[Fluminator]

Is it unlikely because it would be too obvious?

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Jamiet, I don’t know what to tell you man. I’m trying to play mafia. I’ve tried to explain my case the best way I know how. I even apologized to you directly for my tone. Sounds like everyone wants me to leave. You’re going to have to do your best to deal with me until I’m gone.

[bozotheclown]

Is it unlikely because it would be too obvious?

It does seem to me that they would want to distance themselves from each other if they were the 2 remaining non patient zero scum.