M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Jamiet99uk]

@Damo:

Why were you so angry about people voting Chaqa on D1? What exactly was it about Chaqa's EOD1 activity that caused you to suddenly flip to scumreading him?

[Fluminator]

Hmm, maybe I'll reconsider my Damo town read if Chaqa flips scum.
I forgot he was defending him day 1 too.

[worcej]

town survey:

bozo: Balki, kgray, Jamie, xorxes, rdrivera
Jamie: xorxes, BunnyGo, kgray, sulit, rdrivera
xorxes: Jamie, brainbomb, bozo, damo, Foxcastle
rdrivera: Balki, xorxes, kgray, Fluminator, brainbomb
BunnyGo: kgray, Balki, Jamie, damo, xorxes
damo: Balki, xorxes, rdrivera, kgray, bozo
worcej: BunnyGo, brainbomb, kgray, Balki, bo_sox
sulit: Jamie, brainbomb, bo_sox, emc, ?
Temasek: Jamie, kgray, emc, ?, ?
kgray: Jamie, brainbomb, Foxcastle, bozo, xorxes
Foxcastle: Fluminator, xorxes, Balki, Jamie, ?


worcej and sulit have had 2 of their D1 top town reads proven correct, and they were the NKs. This may not mean anything, but it does not help alleviate my suspicion of them.

SOOOO WEIRD that my opinions of who are town are labeled as suspect...

[Jamiet99uk]

Hmm, maybe I'll reconsider my Damo town read if Chaqa flips scum.
I forgot he was defending him day 1 too.

He defended him hard, chainsaw style. He voted you just because you voted for Chaqa, and although he townread Xorxes, he shouted "WHY??" at Xorxes when he put a vote on Chaqa, as if he found votes for Chaqa genuinely alarming.

[BunnyGo]

I had a very explicit and explained reason for my change of heart. Go back and read my posts. Thanks.

Because he said that he got Nk'ed really early really often when he didn't actually? I don't see quite how that's a nail in his coffin. If you got fearkilled a few times in a row, you'd feel pretty bad. You'd remember it. I know I remember being scumread consistently for how I play. In fact, I feel as though it happens every game. I can't see your problem there. And anyway, I don't have anyone better to vote at the moment. You point, I'll have a look at them as soon as I can access the bot again and I've had a look at the previous incarnation of myself.

He made a specific claim to look at the last 10 games as to him being killed night 1 in a lot of them. In fact he had won like 4 of them and was only killed twice in the the first two of the 10.

Seemed like a lie to me.

Jesus, Chaq. Stop tunneling and nit picking. Is that really as deep as you think? No wonder Flum says you'll never advance to the Nirvana of Mafia.

[BunnyGo]

<snip>
I am not sure how you think I should answer this, not living inside your head. I often get scumread for not being a big presence or not making an impression on people. I have been lynched for this in the past as scum when I was trying to be active and townie, and as town when I have just been playing as usual.

For what it's worth, I have this same issue with Damo pretty consistently.

I see you now. Tell me what you're thinking. How you get there. What you had for your last meal. Paint me a word picture, I remember word pictures.

[worcej]

Look, I know you all hate me, but I will try to start participating later today. Until then I have a large exam (and I do have an assignment due on Wednesday) but I should be able to pick things up in a few hours.

Haven't they shut everything down for you yet?

[worcej]

Does anyone else get a weird tickle that the Fox/Balki interaction has a scum theatre feel to it? Fox says Balki looks towny but maybe scum, Balki says that Fox is scummy. It just feels weird. Despite me town reading Balki in general.

It definitely feels out of place of the current dialogue of the game.

[BunnyGo]

Look, I know you all hate me, but I will try to start participating later today. Until then I have a large exam (and I do have an assignment due on Wednesday) but I should be able to pick things up in a few hours.

Haven't they shut everything down for you yet?

All universities have gone online...

[xorxes]

town survey:

bozo: Balki, kgray, Jamie, xorxes, rdrivera
Jamie: xorxes, BunnyGo, kgray, sulit, rdrivera
xorxes: Jamie, brainbomb, bozo, damo, Foxcastle
rdrivera: Balki, xorxes, kgray, Fluminator, brainbomb
BunnyGo: kgray, Balki, Jamie, damo, xorxes
damo: Balki, xorxes, rdrivera, kgray, bozo
worcej: BunnyGo, brainbomb, kgray, Balki, bo_sox
sulit: Jamie, brainbomb, bo_sox, emc, ?
Temasek: Jamie, kgray, emc, ?, ?
kgray: Jamie, brainbomb, Foxcastle, bozo, xorxes
Foxcastle: Fluminator, xorxes, Balki, Jamie, ?


worcej and sulit have had 2 of their D1 top town reads proven correct, and they were the NKs. This may not mean anything, but it does not help alleviate my suspicion of them.

SOOOO WEIRD that my opinions of who are town are labeled as suspect...

If you were town, you would have the whole scum team in your top five town, that's a well known fact.

[xorxes]

Hmm, maybe I'll reconsider my Damo town read if Chaqa flips scum.
I forgot he was defending him day 1 too.

He defended him hard, chainsaw style. He voted you just because you voted for Chaqa, and although he townread Xorxes, he shouted "WHY??" at Xorxes when he put a vote on Chaqa, as if he found votes for Chaqa genuinely alarming.

I doubt damo would defend a scum teammate so blatantly.

[Chaqa]

Are you saying that if I check all your games since Mafia 1 I won't find any in which you have been townread?

Everyone gets town read sometimes, but I think I get scum read more than anyone else.

rivera used to say that all the time too, but he grew out of it.

Rivera lurks almost as hard as I do, to be fair.

It's not that I'm saying I'm useless, but my use to town always comes later on, esepcially after a few days of wagons to analyze and kills to work with. You've played with me long enough to know I'm dead weight until Day 3 or 4, usually.

[worcej]

I've literally never played with a town fox before so it's hard to meta him which is one of my main ways of reading people.

His first scum game he was super obvious but Prado fell on his sword defending him.
Second scum game he was pretty good although he froze up at eod still.

He apparently has a lot of practice being scum lol. Maybe I'll do a meta dive on him.

Fox's scum game is pretty good imo. I've only caught him once by going all-in on defending myself from him trying to make a case on me out of the blue.

That being said - I don't feel like he is scum.

[BunnyGo]

I like how Fox and Chaq are just blatantly ignoring my questions. Cool beans guys.

[Chaqa]

Have I missed something on Xorx or is the case essentially "D3 and he hasn't been fearkilled yet"

EMC says Xorxes is displaying "his classic scum meta".

I am honestly not sure what exactly he means.

Neither am I. I think xorxes is scum, but I can't recall the last time he was or his meta. Is EMC some genius of memory?

[Chaqa]

Hmm, maybe I'll reconsider my Damo town read if Chaqa flips scum.
I forgot he was defending him day 1 too.

Can we lynch damo instead, and if he flips scum, get all this undeserved fucking pressure off me?

Ugh.

I hate games where I have to play on the defensive because it means all my energy has to go to not dying.

[e.m.c^42]

Regarding Chaqa, there's nothing in particular that makes me think he's scummy, but I have a historically bad record of reading him. Really bad.

For context, when it was me vs him for a lynch I suicided as town PR to keep him alive, and he was scum. Lol

[Fluminator]

Everyone gets town read sometimes, but I think I get scum read more than anyone else.

rivera used to say that all the time too, but he grew out of it.

Rivera lurks almost as hard as I do, to be fair.

It's not that I'm saying I'm useless, but my use to town always comes later on, esepcially after a few days of wagons to analyze and kills to work with. You've played with me long enough to know I'm dead weight until Day 3 or 4, usually.

Everyone struggles the first couple days, and everyone gets better as we get more information. You're not unique to this lol.

[Chaqa]

Because he said that he got Nk'ed really early really often when he didn't actually? I don't see quite how that's a nail in his coffin. If you got fearkilled a few times in a row, you'd feel pretty bad. You'd remember it. I know I remember being scumread consistently for how I play. In fact, I feel as though it happens every game. I can't see your problem there. And anyway, I don't have anyone better to vote at the moment. You point, I'll have a look at them as soon as I can access the bot again and I've had a look at the previous incarnation of myself.

He made a specific claim to look at the last 10 games as to him being killed night 1 in a lot of them. In fact he had won like 4 of them and was only killed twice in the the first two of the 10.

Seemed like a lie to me.

Jesus, Chaq. Stop tunneling and nit picking. Is that really as deep as you think? No wonder Flum says you'll never advance to the Nirvana of Mafia.

It's not tunneling. It's people saying I why I voted Vecna and being wrong.

I don't care to be some mafia god. I don't have the time or memory to build out these twelve-thousand page cross-referencing posts remembering one little word choice 32 pages that leads to a GOTCHA moment.

[Chaqa]

I like how Fox and Chaq are just blatantly ignoring my questions. Cool beans guys.

I've tried to address anything directed at me. What did I miss?