Mafia XXXV - The WebDip Class Reunion

[rdrivera2005]

Rdrivera, did you get a chance to dig more?

I did a quick re-read of Bozo and Tham (only their messages using Peter tool). Bozo seems scummy D1, I said it then and still have this feeling, Vecna also said that. Then he defended Xorxes and pushed my lynch. I still think this is scummy, but his defense have some points and it will require some balls to play open wolfing this way. But I think with Ezio and Xorxes it's possible. His last two days were solid towny, specially with the Tag thing and this is what is making me doubt a bit.

The problem is I can't find anything scummy on Tham, other then a vague feeling he could be the deep threat and some unnatural conversation with Fox that seems like budding, but not near enough to make me vote him.

[rdrivera2005]

Well this has been a pretty uneventful day.

@Pouncy - why aren't you even considering Bozo?

@rdr - did you find anything more on your reread of Bozo? And really? Rereading me, you found nothing at all suspicious?

Your EOD4 could be seem as trying to save Xorxes with a tie, but she me it's not even closer to Bozo trying to get Bo lynched D5 or leaving with a vote on me in MYLO, for example.

[thamrick]

Xorxes' D4 questions from p. 70 - after the rdr/Ezio claims

"@dargo, that would work if we weren't at LYLO. But all scum have to do in your scheme is switch at the last second and get a mislynch, and they win. They out themselves but what do they care since they have won.

@rd, why are you voting for me? If you were town you would know with 100% certainty that Ezio was scum. No matter how much you scumread me you can't have anything like that certainty with me.

@Pouncy, why are you voting for me when we know for sure that at least one of rdrivera or Ezio is scum, and we can't afford a mislynch today. Can you summarize your case against me? Is it just that I was a counterwagon to ghug, even though almost nobody was there to push either wagon at EOD? Isn't it much more likely that it was town vs town? You assumed a few times in your arguments that both subs were likely town. Why?

@dargo, same question for you, why vote me when we know one of rd and Ezio is scum?

@tham, same question, why bozo instead of one of rd or Ezio?

From my perspective, knowing that I am town, it is patently obvious which one is lying. I see no motivation for scum Ezio to mamnufacture a mislynch in rdrivera and expose himself when I was already going to be the mislynch almost for sure.

I think the other two have to be two of:

Pouncy: Didn't need to check her nametag.
Thamrick: Checked last when everyone had already done it.
bo_sox: Didn't have to check.

But it makes no sense to lynch one of them today, especially since we will have more info on bo_sox tomorrow.

dargo I think is pretty clear because faking the captainmeme nametag would have been extremely risky, and actually checking it as well.

bozo was the second to reveal his tag, so I give him credit, especially since I was townreading him already. I thought saying that he checked D1 might be a way to have an excuse in case someone else claimed the same tag, but that wouldn't really work because there's no way he could have lost the tag (no roleblocks, and if the Oracle took it from him N2 she would have given it to Fox N3, and we know that did not happen."

@Everyone - I'd like to hear what you think about this quote.

One line in particular stands out to me - the last sentence about the Oracle. How do we know Durga didn't give Foxy a tag she'd oracled from someone else?

[bo_sox48]

I'm not sure what you mean, tham. Can you explain a little more?

[thamrick]

I'm not sure what you mean, tham. Can you explain a little more?

About? That last line?

[thamrick]

Well xorxes is saying that bozo's claim of peeking his tag D1 could have been an excuse to say "oh well my tag must've been switched somehow to you now" if someone claimed his same tag. Then xorxes says that that wouldn't work because Durga didn't give Foxy the FLUMINATOR tag N3 when she visited him.

Issues I see with that statement:
-This doesn't account for N1.
-We don't know what tag Durga gave Foxy* and definitely ddin't at the time xorxes said this


*I think it might have been WJESSOP, but I'm not sure if I'm fully working through what happened with nametags.

[bo_sox48]

Yeah, I see the logical flaw, but I don't understand what conclusion you're drawing from it. Is xorxes being wrong incriminating?

[rdrivera2005]

Well xorxes is saying that bozo's claim of peeking his tag D1 could have been an excuse to say "oh well my tag must've been switched somehow to you now" if someone claimed his same tag. Then xorxes says that that wouldn't work because Durga didn't give Foxy the FLUMINATOR tag N3 when she visited him.

Issues I see with that statement:
-This doesn't account for N1.
-We don't know what tag Durga gave Foxy* and definitely ddin't at the time xorxes said this


*I think it might have been WJESSOP, but I'm not sure if I'm fully working through what happened with nametags.

It could also be Goldfinger If Ezio was the scum killing Fox, or I am missing a visit?

[thamrick]

Yeah, I see the logical flaw, but I don't understand what conclusion you're drawing from it. Is xorxes being wrong incriminating?

xorxes is generally pretty good at analyzing things, correct? That's the "meta" book on him imo.

Why would he incorrectly analyze something to make bozo look good?

I also think that that may have been exactly what Bozo's plan was. Claim a peek D1 so that if someone did happen to cc FLUMINATOR, he could argue that Durga must have Oracle'd him. Durga was dead and she didn't say who she Oracled.

[thamrick]

Well xorxes is saying that bozo's claim of peeking his tag D1 could have been an excuse to say "oh well my tag must've been switched somehow to you now" if someone claimed his same tag. Then xorxes says that that wouldn't work because Durga didn't give Foxy the FLUMINATOR tag N3 when she visited him.

Issues I see with that statement:
-This doesn't account for N1.
-We don't know what tag Durga gave Foxy* and definitely ddin't at the time xorxes said this


*I think it might have been WJESSOP, but I'm not sure if I'm fully working through what happened with nametags.

It could also be Goldfinger If Ezio was the scum killing Fox, or I am missing a visit?

We know that Bo was GOLDFINGER before he was kidnapped. So Ezio had to have taken GOLDFINGER from Bo with the RB. Foxcastle would have flipped GOLDFINGER if Ezio had performed the NK on him.

[thamrick]

@TOM - can you message Pouncy and get her to log on for the EOD? I just realized there are 5 mins left

[thamrick]

If rdr is scum, all he has to do is jump on my wagon.

Bozo can only tie the vote.

[bo_sox48]

I also think that that may have been exactly what Bozo's plan was. Claim a peek D1 so that if someone did happen to cc FLUMINATOR, he could argue that Durga must have Oracle'd him. Durga was dead and she didn't say who she Oracled.

I've been under the impression for most of this game that the scumteam thought I was the oracle, hence kidnapping me in MYLO and setting up a claim that I can't counter. That backfired on them.

[thamrick]

Bo - I think you're right that that's what they thought. They'd know that was wrong when xorxes posted that though

[bo_sox48]

Possibly, but I can't actually vote so *shrug*

I have no issues tying this up since that makes Pouncy the NK, but that's up to bozo.

[DemonRHK]

VOTE COUNT 2.0

rdrivera2005(2): bo_sox48, Pouncy Silverkitten
bozotheclown(2): thamrick, rdrivera2005
thamrick(1): bozotheclown

Currently, NO ONE is set to be lynched!

There are 3 minutes remaining in Day 6.

[thamrick]

@Bo - is bozo not tying the vote scummy or not scummy?

[bo_sox48]

Bozo not being here to do anything right now is very not scummy.

[thamrick]

But he is here. His name is down below

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE rdrivera