M53: Mafia 1 Redux

[xorxes]

I'm currently thinking, why Bob, son of Bob, votes emc instead of jamie when emc still has to vote ... emc has the upper hand in there, or is Bob hoping from other help?

Townie point Kakarroto.

[BunnyGo]

OK, a collection of EMC posts that stand out to me upon ISO of them. Tl;dr it's a lot of WIFOM, but here it is. I think Kalel, Neph, and Fox come out with some town points. I think I come out with town points when reading *his* ISO, but if you read mine too, I come out with major scum points. I think that Bob comes out with some scum points too.

Without further ado, the Ballad of Einstein:

After a few weird posts about his deleted material (still no idea what's up with that), he makes several weird buddying posts including a <3 symbol at Xorxes, "yummy Ozzy" at Neph, and "Karrot is decidedly less shy, we shall see if that is due to getting more familiar to playing/the crowd or something else".

More shit posts about his deleted material...

Then a "hello" to rdr, and another to Squigs:

oh hi Squigs

So glad you have returned. come shitpost with us in nostalgia, whenever you are done reading.

If we're going to get anything out of Bozo's "post names" here are EMC's:

I would like to try an experiment. I am asking everyone to please choose 5 players, besides themselves, at random. The results should be truly random, for instance I used an online random number generator. Here are the results of my random selection:

damo, foodcoat​s, Foxcastle, Kalel, rdrivera

This have anything to do with your mafia bot?

Karrot, Bungo, flash, xorx, bozo

He later says this about it too:

I doubt any mafia member would include their 3 teammates in their "random" selections, so that may be useful later looking for the last mafia.

This seems like strange(?) logic as it comes from bozo, hm

perhaps it is my logic failing somewhere, but

Makes his first actual comment of the day with:

The troubles of the world appear to have gotten to bungo, he's been sadly nonshitposty and disillusioned to our incredibly accurate day one reads.

Will echo that Kit somewhat fell off from general existence, hi kit, it's been awhile :D

More shitposting for a while and then this next actual comment:

Neph feels like he's rp'ing bb

to lengthen, Neph has gone near 120 in terms of tone, has upped sarcasm by a lot, and is more jocular this game than he has been, like ever. He's decidedly more confident in himself, and more grounded than usual. More willing to defend thoughts. Posts tend towards the shorter side but that is as usual since his meta evolved from old walls. Unknown if said confidence is due to 1) deliberate roleplay, as tactic - similar to how he did his whole "lhf" schtick before but for different objective, or due to being scum, or due to just being more rooted as town.

This is probably in between shit comment and something else:

Alright. Time to piss off foxC as I commentlaborate and somehow prolly not vote until that is done, lmao

This next comment went over my head:

updated thoughts on cocky neph, I like it more than find it suspicious, and his thing on Jamie isn't that wrong

And another "meatier" post:

Rather old at this point but Squigs, here is your extrapolation and other halfcents alongside that page range. There was a good handful of people who all found Bob n Kit n maybe a little xorx with awkward seemingly tryhard entrances, thought it scummy, and left lmao

Was it awkward? yes. But necessarily scummy, don't think so as both of them (especially Bob) are unfortunately kinda easy targets in terms of being scumread for it? Especially Bob. (although, will not deny that the last time he played scum he did do similar rp - but it seems to be more of character trait than alignment thing imo)

Kinda ehh on how Squigs missed sarcasm (assuming that it was sarcasm), he's not done that before to even Jamie when he was being serious and everyone else took it sarcastically lol

Takes another swing at me:

Trying to catch up for EOD. Have to pick up kids.

1) I’m fed up with EMC. I policy voted last game and will do again
2) Kalel is scummy scum scum
3) the rest looks noisy to me. Could be anything so far
4) I’m so glad BB is here. I’m surprised I’m saying that.

Bungo, on the other hand...

He's been considerably more abrasive, or at least more fed up with joke posting in general. Not to mention, absent. And like, this is a guy who rivaled and even surpassed bb in post volume and occasional shitposting.

Granted, he was unemployed(?) then so had more free time, but being this anti, and sticking with a policy at this point sort of seems like cop-out. He's also openly not even attempted much at...well, anything other than claiming how shit everything is lol

It is as if you took the worst parts of damo and jamie and combined it into one person ahaha

Worth saying though, that there isn't scum meta for him to reference, so this could be just him being generally stressed or busy over work or something. If so hope things go well for you bungo :D

Is this an attempt to pocket Kalel? Maybe townie point for Kalel?

You called Jamie Anal, and then said Neph was poking them.... he he he he, giggle.

heh

This is new, bring this out more often :v

Lol if you replaced every spreadsheet instance with something like this, I almost guarantee you townreads would automatically go up XD

Then sold me that he was town, between not voting till last minute despite threats and other stuff:

Jamie, Kit, Bungo, someone I'm forgetting maybe

Read my fucking posts lol

Just because I style them jocular, add emotes, and extensively condense does not mean that there are no posts. Avoiding strong adjectives except for cases of sarcasm is not-not having an opinion.

I've already asked earlier in the day if it was difficult to understand and if it needed extending to no response, of which the obvious conclusion is that yes, everyone gets it.

He could have saved himself by switching his vote from me to Bob...it's interesting that he didn't (scum point for Bob?):

I think EMC is a genuinely fun player to play with, and the game would become more boring without him in it.

Lynch him if you actually think he is scum. Not because you have unjustified quarrels with his playstyle. Its his choice how he plays and participates. Its within the rules. And it brings something unique.

He’s not even trying to save himself by voting on Bob

Because I think and already stated independent reasons for why he's town? Why would I do that.

And a poetic last post. I look forward to the drawing. GG EMC:

I think EMC is a genuinely fun player to play with, and the game would become more boring without him in it.

Lynch him if you actually think he is scum. Not because you have unjustified quarrels with his playstyle. Its his choice how he plays and participates. Its within the rules. And it brings something unique.

It's within the rules, yes. But if most of us think it doesn't comport with the way the game should be played, that's where the policy lynch comes in. Technically, someone could lurk, make only 2 posts a day, and still be "within the rules," but I doubt you'd be defending them.

So help me god, I am going to draw furry porn of you lecturing me. I'll even write you an essay on the merits and failures of VCA and strong language, as well as unconscious biases upon judging text written with slang and emotes as less valid and reputable.

[Nephthys]

I'm currently curious regarding BG's reason for wanting EMC to vote.

Most of us dislike EMC's voting patterns as it denies analysis of his voting patterns.

BG however comes in talking about modkills. To my knowledge, this has never really factored into the generalised dislike for his play style. As such I wonder to what degree his dislike is factual and to what degree its forced bandwagoning to fit in

[BunnyGo]

I'm currently curious regarding BG's reason for wanting EMC to vote.

Most of us dislike EMC's voting patterns as it denies analysis of his voting patterns.

BG however comes in talking about modkills. To my knowledge, this has never really factored into the generalised dislike for his play style. As such I wonder to what degree his dislike is factual and to what degree its forced bandwagoning to fit in

2 games ago, EMC was modkilled for not voting. AFAIC this was the final straw that meant town could no longer reasonably win. The next two games, I (and many others) have pressured him to vote.

[BunnyGo]

I'm currently curious regarding BG's reason for wanting EMC to vote.

Most of us dislike EMC's voting patterns as it denies analysis of his voting patterns.

BG however comes in talking about modkills. To my knowledge, this has never really factored into the generalised dislike for his play style. As such I wonder to what degree his dislike is factual and to what degree its forced bandwagoning to fit in

2 games ago, EMC was modkilled for not voting. AFAIC this was the final straw that meant town could no longer reasonably win. The next two games, I (and many others) have pressured him to vote.

Before that, I didn't care whether he voted early or not.

[BunnyGo]

I'm currently curious regarding BG's reason for wanting EMC to vote.

Most of us dislike EMC's voting patterns as it denies analysis of his voting patterns.

BG however comes in talking about modkills. To my knowledge, this has never really factored into the generalised dislike for his play style. As such I wonder to what degree his dislike is factual and to what degree its forced bandwagoning to fit in

forced bandwagoning? I put my policy vote there post 2 of the game...

[BobMcBob]

Kalel's post of random names gave too much explanation about how random they were. He explicitly stated twice that we wasn't scum, which just always seems awkward. There's been little I like about his posts, including his question about teaming me with emc.

I will have to check what this was about when I have time.

Wait a minute, I noticed a typo. That's supposed to be "he wasn't scum" not "we".

Kalel's post of random names gave too much explanation about how random they were. He explicitly stated twice that he wasn't scum, which just always seems awkward. There's been little I like about his posts, including his question about teaming me with emc.

[BobMcBob]

I'm currently thinking, why Bob, son of Bob, votes emc instead of jamie when emc still has to vote ... emc has the upper hand in there, or is Bob hoping from other help?

To clarify, I didn't realise the implications of voting emc with his vote still free. I just thought, "I need to vote either Jamie or emc to save myself, and I have more scum on emc".

[brainbomb]

I voted to hammer the night early to hinder scums discussion time
##End

[brainbomb]

if we all vote hammer in game thread we can learn who scum is cuz they wont wanna do it

[BunnyGo]

if we all vote hammer in game thread we can learn who scum is cuz they wont wanna do it

hmm...something feels wrong about this, but ##END

[BobMcBob]

I voted to hammer the night early to hinder scums discussion time
##End

There is definitely something wrong with this. Maybe just because scum will do it regardless and we won't end up getting anywhere. It probably won't even end up shaving much, if any time, and will distract us from more useful things. At least, I presume that's why we don't do it every single night.

[Nephthys]

I’m pretty sure night hammers have to be done via PM. Like literally every other game ever run?

[Nephthys]

I also like Bob's post... with this exception of his assessment of me, obviously.


Bob & "Steve" and other accent-y role-playing bugs me, but that's my baggage.
Jamie's just a hoot.

##Vote e.m.c.

Can I clarify something I think I read?
If I was to switch my vote to Bob right now it would imply scum partnering with e.m.c.? Just checking... Bob was my top of my scum list but I didn't want to look like I was voting for them just because they were voting for me (forgot the initials for this). Thanks for input.

What I don't understand about this exchange is that if Bob was the top of his scum list then why vote for emc when he could have and why make excuses for bob at that stage?

[Nephthys]

Hot take;

What if the scum team is
EMC
Kalel
Bunny
Bob

[BobMcBob]

Hot take;

What if the scum team is
EMC
Kalel
Bunny
Bob

That would imply that I'd done something really clever and well though-out, but also been dumb enough to drop the roleplay.

Better hot take:
emc
brain
kalel
squigs maybe?

[BobMcBob]

Hot take;

What if the scum team is
EMC
Kalel
Bunny
Bob

That would imply that I'd done something really clever and well though-out, but also been dumb enough to drop the roleplay.

Better hot take:
emc
brain
kalel
squigs maybe?

Me doing something that risky for a not easily forsee-able (for me at least) townread is almost enough to discount the theory already though. We all know I'm not good at this game, a fact which Squigs delights in.

[Jamiet99uk]

if we all vote hammer in game thread we can learn who scum is cuz they wont wanna do it

Pretending to be ignorant of the rules on night hammering.

Second deception.

[Squigs44]

Hot take;

What if the scum team is
EMC
Kalel
Bunny
Bob

That would imply that I'd done something really clever and well though-out, but also been dumb enough to drop the roleplay.

Better hot take:
emc
brain
kalel
squigs maybe?

Me doing something that risky for a not easily forsee-able (for me at least) townread is almost enough to discount the theory already though. We all know I'm not good at this game, a fact which Squigs delights in.

I'm starting to get really annoyed that you are painting me a villain. If you take issue with the case I put on you, then tell us what was wrong with it. If you think my case on you had ulterior motives, then call me scum, vote for me, and convince others of that. But dont shade me, paint me as a bad guy, characterize me as someone who delights in your pain. I saw some aspects of your play that were questionable, so I questioned you, I pushed you, I got a conversation going. That's how you play the game.

Once upon a time I joined M3. I wasn't even 18 yet, but I thought, oooh, mafia, this will be fun. I proceeded to get wrecked by ghug. He wasn't very nice to me, and well, I wasnt very good at the game. I was a defensive noob, and ghug ran me up like day 2 as an easy mislynch. I played again, and ghug mislynched me again. I've looked back on the game, and I'm pretty sure I would have mislynched myself. Ghugs push on me was good for me though. If it weren't for him, I wouldn't have become the player I am now.

So you've got a choice Bob. You can continue to complain that people are mislynching you, scumreading you, whatever. You can continue to sell yourself short and say you aren't capable of playing well. Or, you can look around at the better players, try to understand the game, and evolve your own play. Choice is yours.

[Squigs44]

Kitsunes fake vote on Bozo, then revote on emc after deadline complicates things with her quite a bit. She was real hesitant and wish washy on emc, which would normally be really scummy, but it looked like Kitsune really was willing to vote emc at the end there