M1009 [HIDDEN]

[foodcoats]

...but lest we forget I also said I think bozo looked like shit too. I find it interesting that this has been almost missed/swept away so far.

Actually, I too think bozo looks unappetizing. bozo parked on Chaqa for ages and then swung onto Neph to push the wagon up ahead 4/2 with 30 minutes to go, providing this justification:

All in all

Town; Worcej, Jamie, EMC, Kaka
Scum; Xorx, Tom, bozo, Chaqa

I do not agree with your reads much.

##VOTE Nephthys

Not the greatest reason to stack off there. bozo also repeatedly hammered on Chaqa, even saying after voting for Neph that they really preferred to hang Chaqa or worcej, despite it being bozo who in leaving Chaqa dropped Chaqa down to a 1 vote wagon (the wagons were 3/2/2, then 4/2/1 with some other vanities because of bozo's switch), and pushed Neph up into true leadership position in doing so.

##VOTE bozotheclown

[Tom Bombadil]

I highly disagree that Tom's vote looks bad. It seems a fairly logical thing for him to do.

And Jamiet, for your pleasure only I shall reword.

Xorxes' behavior is inconsistent with that of his previous town games. Specifically, I find interesting the analysis of his reaction to the EOD town flip compared to his previous games. He usually spins it in a positive way for town and uses it as a springboard to hunt further. This time was different.

I'll also throw out this nugget - I find the argument of self-preservation to be poor when you are putting your vote onto someone that you have stated you think is town, or you don't like their wagon, in a vanilla game.

No. If you are 100% sure you are town and 80% sure they are town, your vote should be on them every time, no?

[worcej]

Excellent! I'm tired of harping on my position on Tom.

##vote bozo

[Tom Bombadil]

##vote goldfinger

[Tom Bombadil]

I kind of thought worcej was using the night to set up my mislynch, but I’m cooling on that some (though he may be just trying to distance himself from my wagon hoping the momentum is there without him).

Knowing I’m town and Neph was town - I don’t find bozos move curious, and have felt his contributions have been solid - though admittedly this is more my impression versus digging deep into what he has said.

[worcej]

I highly disagree that Tom's vote looks bad. It seems a fairly logical thing for him to do.

And Jamiet, for your pleasure only I shall reword.

Xorxes' behavior is inconsistent with that of his previous town games. Specifically, I find interesting the analysis of his reaction to the EOD town flip compared to his previous games. He usually spins it in a positive way for town and uses it as a springboard to hunt further. This time was different.

I'll also throw out this nugget - I find the argument of self-preservation to be poor when you are putting your vote onto someone that you have stated you think is town, or you don't like their wagon, in a vanilla game.

No. If you are 100% sure you are town and 80% sure they are town, your vote should be on them every time, no?

When you have others that you may think are scum and have others willing to vote for them, no.

Can we move on from you now Tom? I don't think your meh D1 end needs to drive the narrative when I find both bozo and xorxes to be more scummy with their behaviors and comments.

[worcej]

I kind of thought worcej was using the night to set up my mislynch, but I’m cooling on that some (though he may be just trying to distance himself from my wagon hoping the momentum is there without him).

Knowing I’m town and Neph was town - I don’t find bozos move curious, and have felt his contributions have been solid - though admittedly this is more my impression versus digging deep into what he has said.

To find bozo's move curious would require you to think that voting for someone you have not expressed a case for is curious.

[bozotheclown]

...but lest we forget I also said I think bozo looked like shit too. I find it interesting that this has been almost missed/swept away so far.

Actually, I too think bozo looks unappetizing. bozo parked on Chaqa for ages and then swung onto Neph to push the wagon up ahead 4/2 with 30 minutes to go, providing this justification:

All in all

Town; Worcej, Jamie, EMC, Kaka
Scum; Xorx, Tom, bozo, Chaqa

I do not agree with your reads much.

##VOTE Nephthys

Not the greatest reason to stack off there. bozo also repeatedly hammered on Chaqa, even saying after voting for Neph that they really preferred to hang Chaqa or worcej, despite it being bozo who in leaving Chaqa dropped Chaqa down to a 1 vote wagon (the wagons were 3/2/2, then 4/2/1 with some other vanities because of bozo's switch), and pushed Neph up into true leadership position in doing so.

##VOTE bozotheclown

I tried for most of D1 to get votes for Chaqa and apparently was only able to convince damo to vote for him. (Maybe it is not a coincidence that damo is no longer here). I voted for Nephthys when I was leaving before EOD because it did not seem likely that Chaqa would be lynched, and I thought Nephthys was more likely to be scum than the other wagons. If I had been able to be online at EOD, I would have waited longer to change my vote, but unless others decided to vote for Chaqa, or a wagon on worcej materialized, I would have ended up voting for Nephthys.

Also, your analysis contains an error, the wagons were 3/2/2/2/2/2, so after my vote change, the wagons were 4/2/2/2/2/1, not 4/2/1. I addressed all of the 2 vote wagons with this post:

I would lynch Chaqa or worcej, but Nephthys looks suspicious as well. My guess is that damo and Jamie are both town, as well as emc. I am not sure about Tom. I will probably be on the road at EOD, I will check in from mobile if possible.

Since you find my vote for Nephthys suspicious, can you tell me what potential scum motivation you see in changing my vote to Nephthys when I did? From what you said, the only thing I can conclude is that you think I might have been protecting Chaqa.

[bozotheclown]

I kind of thought worcej was using the night to set up my mislynch, but I’m cooling on that some (though he may be just trying to distance himself from my wagon hoping the momentum is there without him).

Knowing I’m town and Neph was town - I don’t find bozos move curious, and have felt his contributions have been solid - though admittedly this is more my impression versus digging deep into what he has said.

To find bozo's move curious would require you to think that voting for someone you have not expressed a case for is curious.

I had not expressed a case on damo, Jamie, emc, or Tom either, and they were the only other options for a meaningful vote when I concluded that Chaqa was unlikely to be the lynch. If I was scum I had no reason to change my vote to Nephthys unless I was trying to protect someone else. Who do you think I was protecting?

[bozotheclown]

I'll also throw out this nugget - I find the argument of self-preservation to be poor when you are putting your vote onto someone that you have stated you think is town, or you don't like their wagon, in a vanilla game.

No. If you are 100% sure you are town and 80% sure they are town, your vote should be on them every time, no?

When you have others that you may think are scum and have others willing to vote for them, no.

Can we move on from you now Tom? I don't think your meh D1 end needs to drive the narrative when I find both bozo and xorxes to be more scummy with their behaviors and comments.

Are you asking Tom if you can stop suspecting him to be scum?

[bozotheclown]

Did you vote for damo then?

I had the same thought when I quickly checked the bot for votes.

Tom seems to be in typical form, xorxes is a little more laid back. NAI but at least observations.

I do not buy that the combination of these 2 posts was a reaction test, especially given the order of the posts and the posts being 10 minutes apart. worcej has almost overtaken Chaqa in suspicious activity.

You think I am not capable of planting a slip to see who is paying attention?

Can you explain to me why you set up your reaction test in this manner?

[bozotheclown]

FWIW - my take which is all pretty much NAI

Nothing of Value (AKA Lurking): Flavius, damo, Neph

Color commentator (AKA commenting on other actions only): food, Tom

Short and Sweet (AKA Low, but kinda original, content): rdr, Jamie, EMC, chaqa

Trying at least: bozo, xorxes, Kaka

Towniest MOFO around: worcej

I am willing to vote for worcej, but you have already moved on. I still prefer to find out about Chaqa, because if he flips scum it would be a good indication that Kakarroto is scum as well.

willing to lynch either worcej or neph whichever gains traction

disinclined to lynch Chaqa or Kakarrotto (today anyway)

Grabbing a post to reply, but I find it fascinating to have xorxes, damo, and bozo state they are willing to lynch me near each other, but never received a vote other than the short one from damo.

Add in that this is a 13 player game but other than damo, anyone find this a little hedgey from at least one of them?

What happened between these posts other than xorxes and I finding your reaction test claim suspicious?

[goldfinger0303]

##vote goldfinger

The heck? Jesus, the hell did Chaqa do yesterday to merit all these votes. By arguing to clear Tom and worcej and I causing a lynch on myself or something?

[bozotheclown]

##vote goldfinger

The heck? Jesus, the hell did Chaqa do yesterday to merit all these votes. By arguing to clear Tom and worcej and I causing a lynch on myself or something?

Have you read D1 yet?

[goldfinger0303]

Only read first ten pages and the very EOD maneuvers with the Tom and Neph wagons. Read a bit of N1.

[bozotheclown]

Only read first ten pages and the very EOD maneuvers with the Tom and Neph wagons. Read a bit of N1.

I explained why I was voting for Chaqa within the first 10 pages of D1, do you think it is reasonable Chaqa did not remember Kakarroto?

[bozotheclown]

Here is Kakarroto's first post in the signup thread:

Wait wait wait, you say, I have a chance to play as Chaqa? (if you allow me to play that is)

1. Jamiet99uk
2. Chaqa
3. FlaviusAetius
4. bozo
5. worcej
6. e.m.c
7. Nephthys
8. xorxes
9. damo666
10. foodcoats
11. Rdrivera2005
12. Kakarroto
13.

SUBS
A. goldfinger0303
B.
C.

[goldfinger0303]

Only read first ten pages and the very EOD maneuvers with the Tom and Neph wagons. Read a bit of N1.

I explained why I was voting for Chaqa within the first 10 pages of D1, do you think it is reasonable Chaqa did not remember Kakarroto?

Probably not, tbh. But it's Chaqa, he says stupid stuff all the time. I'm obviously not as involved in mafia as the rest of you, but I still got the guak references you were making (I think I was part of that gladiator game referenced too...and died in glorious combat)

[bozotheclown]

My research also shows that Chaqa and Kakarroto drive the same kind of car, both watch "Tho Office", and were roommates in college.

[worcej]

I had not expressed a case on damo, Jamie, emc, or Tom either, and they were the only other options for a meaningful vote when I concluded that Chaqa was unlikely to be the lynch. If I was scum I had no reason to change my vote to Nephthys unless I was trying to protect someone else. Who do you think I was protecting?

Your question is, honestly, irrelevant. You may have not been protecting anyone because none of your scum partners were threatened. Therefor you could use this logic, that you are presenting now, if scrutiny came upon you.