MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

@Xorxes

Please assume Fox flips Assassin and you and say dargo are the NKs.

What is then your recommended lynch order?

D7 lynch Fox and you should read Jamiet.

That means Jamiet, emc and Chaqa are now clear (unless you got a guilty on Jamiet). One of them is probably killed N7.

D8 lynch teacon (or Jamiet if you read him as Reaver).

If teacon flips town another clear dies N8, one clear left.

D9 is peterlund, damo and a clear.

Lynch peter. If he is Reaver, we win, if he is town, he kills Reaver!damo

So if Fox is Assassin, we have already won, even if you are the Reaver.

If Fox is not Assassin, then things get more complicated.

Thank you.

Indulge me just once more please. What if you and town emc are the NKs and fox flips Assassin. Then what?

[Foxcastle]

@Xorxes

Please assume Fox flips Assassin and you and say dargo are the NKs.

What is then your recommended lynch order?

Kindly do not assume this, as it is not true.

You have a few hours to convince me if you want me to change my last will and testament. At the moment my instructions are lynch Fox tomorrow.

Well, that's obviously not even particularly reasonable because this game has been entirely driven by mechanics/auto-lynches to process claims and logic puzzles.

And I might be/have been fine with my turn to be processed, except that you seem think that mislynching me is possibly a town loss.

[Chaqa]

You guys are overthinking things. Fox is Assassin and it’s GG.

If Fox isn’t Assassin, we lynch damo and then it depends on whether you believe EMC or me (I have a bad feeling about this scenario, simply due to town historically being bad at LYLO situations)

Not much to say about it.

[Chaqa]

You guys are overthinking things. Fox is Assassin and it’s GG.

If Fox isn’t Assassin, we lynch damo and then it depends on whether you believe EMC or me (I have a bad feeling about this scenario, simply due to town historically being bad at LYLO situations)

Not much to say about it.

It occurs to me that this scenario is actually bad because of the extra night of double kills. Yikes.

Hopefully Jamie makes a save.

[xorxes]

@Xorxes

Please assume Fox flips Assassin and you and say dargo are the NKs.

What is then your recommended lynch order?

D7 lynch Fox and you should read Jamiet.

That means Jamiet, emc and Chaqa are now clear (unless you got a guilty on Jamiet). One of them is probably killed N7.

D8 lynch teacon (or Jamiet if you read him as Reaver).

If teacon flips town another clear dies N8, one clear left.

D9 is peterlund, damo and a clear.

Lynch peter. If he is Reaver, we win, if he is town, he kills Reaver!damo

So if Fox is Assassin, we have already won, even if you are the Reaver.

If Fox is not Assassin, then things get more complicated.

Thank you.

Indulge me just once more please. What if you and town emc are the NKs and fox flips Assassin. Then what?

If dargo saw the Reaver, lynch them D8 (and if dargo lied, lynch dargo D9).

If not:

D7 lynch Fox and you read Jamiet.

Chaqa and Jamiet clear, Jamiet protects Chaqa, dargo watches Jamiet.
Then dargo dies and two clears survive, or dargo sees who killed Jamiet.

D8 lynch teacon, or whoever dargo saw kill Jamiet.

N8 one clear dies.

D9 peter-damo-clear, lynch peter, he kills damo.

[xorxes]

Kindly do not assume this, as it is not true.

You have a few hours to convince me if you want me to change my last will and testament. At the moment my instructions are lynch Fox tomorrow.

Well, that's obviously not even particularly reasonable because this game has been entirely driven by mechanics/auto-lynches to process claims and logic puzzles.

And I might be/have been fine with my turn to be processed, except that you seem think that mislynching me is possibly a town loss.

It hasn't been entirely driven by mechanics. The D1 lynch was very informative, and the D2 lynch as well although to a lesser extent.

Mislynching you would very likely be a town loss, yes.

[xorxes]

You guys are overthinking things. Fox is Assassin and it’s GG.

If Fox isn’t Assassin, we lynch damo and then it depends on whether you believe EMC or me (I have a bad feeling about this scenario, simply due to town historically being bad at LYLO situations)

Not much to say about it.

We don't have enough time to do all that, and if you are the Assassin you know it.

[Foxcastle]

You have a few hours to convince me if you want me to change my last will and testament. At the moment my instructions are lynch Fox tomorrow.

Well, that's obviously not even particularly reasonable because this game has been entirely driven by mechanics/auto-lynches to process claims and logic puzzles.

And I might be/have been fine with my turn to be processed, except that you seem think that mislynching me is possibly a town loss.

It hasn't been entirely driven by mechanics. The D1 lynch was very informative, and the D2 lynch as well although to a lesser extent.

Mislynching you would very likely be a town loss, yes.

Not literally, no. But sufficiently so that defending myself against the machine is not particularly useful.

I wasn't here Day 1, and neither was Vecna. And on Day 2, I voted for Worcej and Kalel. I would not have bussed both of my teammates from the start.

[xorxes]

Well, that's obviously not even particularly reasonable because this game has been entirely driven by mechanics/auto-lynches to process claims and logic puzzles.

And I might be/have been fine with my turn to be processed, except that you seem think that mislynching me is possibly a town loss.

It hasn't been entirely driven by mechanics. The D1 lynch was very informative, and the D2 lynch as well although to a lesser extent.

Mislynching you would very likely be a town loss, yes.

Not literally, no. But sufficiently so that defending myself against the machine is not particularly useful.

I wasn't here Day 1, and neither was Vecna. And on Day 2, I voted for Worcej and Kalel. I would not have bussed both of my teammates from the start.

You weren't here D1 but you've had plenty of time to read and analyze it. Since you have not bothered, you are most likely resigned scum. Voting for worcej and Kalel when they were already condemned scum doesn't tell us that much.

[Foxcastle]

It hasn't been entirely driven by mechanics. The D1 lynch was very informative, and the D2 lynch as well although to a lesser extent.

Mislynching you would very likely be a town loss, yes.

Not literally, no. But sufficiently so that defending myself against the machine is not particularly useful.

I wasn't here Day 1, and neither was Vecna. And on Day 2, I voted for Worcej and Kalel. I would not have bussed both of my teammates from the start.

You weren't here D1 but you've had plenty of time to read and analyze it. Since you have not bothered, you are most likely resigned scum. Voting for worcej and Kalel when they were already condemned scum doesn't tell us that much.

Oh, this kinda infuriates me. I'm not interested in reading Day 1 (and I said so) because it's 50 pages of garbage, and it hasn't mattered to the game since we started process lynching on Day 2. If you think rereading prior days is going to reveal some truth that's going to save me, then you should be rereading it yourself.

[dargorygel]

Order im

[xorxes]

Not literally, no. But sufficiently so that defending myself against the machine is not particularly useful.

I wasn't here Day 1, and neither was Vecna. And on Day 2, I voted for Worcej and Kalel. I would not have bussed both of my teammates from the start.

You weren't here D1 but you've had plenty of time to read and analyze it. Since you have not bothered, you are most likely resigned scum. Voting for worcej and Kalel when they were already condemned scum doesn't tell us that much.

Oh, this kinda infuriates me. I'm not interested in reading Day 1 (and I said so) because it's 50 pages of garbage, and it hasn't mattered to the game since we started process lynching on Day 2. If you think rereading prior days is going to reveal some truth that's going to save me, then you should be rereading it yourself.

I have been rereading constantly, which you would know if you were even reading. Rereading D1 led me to be pretty sure that emc is not the Assassin, for example. It is not all garbage, it's the same amount of garbage the average game has, with the occasional gem here and there.

[Foxcastle]

You weren't here D1 but you've had plenty of time to read and analyze it. Since you have not bothered, you are most likely resigned scum. Voting for worcej and Kalel when they were already condemned scum doesn't tell us that much.

Oh, this kinda infuriates me. I'm not interested in reading Day 1 (and I said so) because it's 50 pages of garbage, and it hasn't mattered to the game since we started process lynching on Day 2. If you think rereading prior days is going to reveal some truth that's going to save me, then you should be rereading it yourself.

I have been rereading constantly, which you would know if you were even reading. Rereading D1 led me to be pretty sure that emc is not the Assassin, for example. It is not all garbage, it's the same amount of garbage the average game has, with the occasional gem here and there.

Then I can't help you. <Shrug>

[Jamiet99uk]

You guys are overthinking things. Fox is Assassin and it’s GG.

If Fox isn’t Assassin, we lynch damo and then it depends on whether you believe EMC or me (I have a bad feeling about this scenario, simply due to town historically being bad at LYLO situations)

Not much to say about it.

It occurs to me that this scenario is actually bad because of the extra night of double kills. Yikes.

Hopefully Jamie makes a save.

Remember I can only save vs the Reavers.

[xorxes]

So this seems to be the situation:

Case 1:
Fox flips Assassin. Autowin for town, even if damo is Reaver. Damo should read someone other than peter, and the final 5 lynch should not be peter. Just make sure final 3 has either two clears or one clear plus peter.

Case 2:
Fox flips town. This is the fun case, although the least likely one. In this case, Reaver is damo, and Assassin is Chaqa or emc (most likely Chaqa). So after lynching Fox, scum can kill two townies, and situation becomes: damo, Chaqa and 2 townies.

If one of the townies is a Doctor, lynch Chaqa, and then there's a 50/50 chance for Town vs Reavers. Doctor and damo have to outguess each other on who they protect and kill.

If neither of the two townies is a Doctor, then they should vote no-lynch. Lynching either scum is a sure loss for town, so just let scum decide what to do that night. Should be fun. Unfortunately I don't think this is how it will end.

[damo666]

So this seems to be the situation:

Case 1:
Fox flips Assassin. Autowin for town, even if damo is Reaver. Damo should read someone other than peter, and the final 5 lynch should not be peter. Just make sure final 3 has either two clears or one clear plus peter.

Case 2:
Fox flips town. This is the fun case, although the least likely one. In this case, Reaver is damo, and Assassin is Chaqa or emc (most likely Chaqa). So after lynching Fox, scum can kill two townies, and situation becomes: damo, Chaqa and 2 townies.

If one of the townies is a Doctor, lynch Chaqa, and then there's a 50/50 chance for Town vs Reavers. Doctor and damo have to outguess each other on who they protect and kill.

If neither of the two townies is a Doctor, then they should vote no-lynch. Lynching either scum is a sure loss for town, so just let scum decide what to do that night. Should be fun. Unfortunately I don't think this is how it will end.

Fortunately the ending tou consider unfortunate will not happen.

[xorxes]

Shame we never cracked the Reaver code.

[Chaqa]

So this seems to be the situation:

Case 1:
Fox flips Assassin. Autowin for town, even if damo is Reaver. Damo should read someone other than peter, and the final 5 lynch should not be peter. Just make sure final 3 has either two clears or one clear plus peter.

Case 2:
Fox flips town. This is the fun case, although the least likely one. In this case, Reaver is damo, and Assassin is Chaqa or emc (most likely Chaqa). So after lynching Fox, scum can kill two townies, and situation becomes: damo, Chaqa and 2 townies.

If one of the townies is a Doctor, lynch Chaqa, and then there's a 50/50 chance for Town vs Reavers. Doctor and damo have to outguess each other on who they protect and kill.

If neither of the two townies is a Doctor, then they should vote no-lynch. Lynching either scum is a sure loss for town, so just let scum decide what to do that night. Should be fun. Unfortunately I don't think this is how it will end.

If Fox flips town, EMC is the Assassin, not me.

[Chaqa]

Let's hope tonight goes well, and let's really hope damo hasn't become a dirty Reaver. I'll do some more analysis to see if I can figure out the Reaver press rules.

[peterlund]

If Fox flips town, EMC is the Assassin, not me.

That sounded really defensive and as if you know the result of the fox lynch!

Is this an assassin slip? Sounded like one to me.