MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[teacon7]

re: reaver press patterns -

Is anyone keeping track of who has posted what?

Is there a way to do these tests without clogging up the thread with noise? (c.f. jamiet literally reposting everything Tem said)

If we all repost Tem's press violation and get no repeats, it seems like it was a sin of omission, rather than something he included. What phases did Tem NOT get a reaver violation? Can we cross-compare those with the three re-post sentences?

We can't test it now, but it seems like there might be something to do with voting. No-unvotes seems like enough of a detectable liability, and would be easy enough for the GMs to spot. Maybe it has something to do with using capitols when voting? Other text included along with the vote post? I can see the GMs setting up rules so they could do a check by simply clicking the reaver's name on the bot vote tracker.

[teacon7]

AMA = ask me anything.

Why haven't you answered any of my questions yet? What are you hiding?

And these two?

wtf. no. this is also spam.

I'm hiding the good chocolate so I don't have to share it.

find me the other questions and I'll answer them.

[teacon7]

@xorx
I still do not understand why the BH fakeclaimed, and why the assassin did not.

In what order did everyone claim roles? I suspect the pressure there and the order of the claims will reveal a lot.

This one stuck out at me:

I claimed VT pretty much before anyone but you had claimed I believe.

I’ve been your Wingman this whole game

"Wingman" sounds an awful lot like a "buddy" calling in a favor.

[teacon7]

@Chaqa -

Just gonna say this once, so take it for what it's worth. It's given in as good-natured a spirit as a combox can manage. You're having an awesome game. Unless I'm misreading you, I can tell you're frustrated. I get that. It came out especially in how you talked to peter. He went a little rogue. I get it. I agree with you. But I don't think that tone is going to be helpful for us moving forward.

If you gotta step away from the game for a bit to cool down - I think we'd understand. Give it a bit. Maybe it'll give your subconscious a chance think up something new? idk.

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa -

Just gonna say this once, so take it for what it's worth. It's given in as good-natured a spirit as a combox can manage. You're having an awesome game. Unless I'm misreading you, I can tell you're frustrated. I get that. It came out especially in how you talked to peter. He went a little rogue. I get it. I agree with you. But I don't think that tone is going to be helpful for us moving forward.

If you gotta step away from the game for a bit to cool down - I think we'd understand. Give it a bit. Maybe it'll give your subconscious a chance think up something new? idk.

I was a bit out of line, but it was mainly because he was clearly unaware I had already gone through this same song and dance... oh well.

I tend to believe teacon here re:Reaver

[teacon7]

lol sorry bunny, I didn't mean to kill your enthusiasm. I just sifted through a mountain of jamiet reposts, and don't want to add to the clutter. Sorry if I sounded rude.

1) Is voting and unvoting verboten?
2) What sort of text was allowed to be in reaver votes?

Barring jamiet being able to correctly post the tumbleweed quote, it seems like Tem's violation was an omission, rather than an inclusion. I'm going to have to re-read him when I get a chance tomorrow.

[teacon7]

Reaver candidate textwall

I was the obvious candidate. No way to confirm my role, somewhat townread. I might even have been targeted N1 due to the reader soft, but the conversion got redirected away, and fizzled for lack of a living target. (mtg terms coming out, sorry). I am not a reaver, so I'm operating on the assumption that they wanted to set me up, and pick someone with deeper cover.

damo has been suggested, but it doesn't make sense to me. Too much risk, likely not enough reward. It'd be too easy for mafia 1 to realize when he was making things up, so even if he didn't get lynched, he'd get the NK.

jamiet - jamie could be watched to verify doc visitation, though I guess he'd have good reason not to forecast who he'd visit. Without knowing whether conversion activates a backup, it'd be risky to hit him. I think we're still waiting on a ##callGM as to whether converting a doctor activates the backup or not.

Peter: A bulletless vig also seemed like the best reaver candidate to me. He's generally unverifiable. Unlike other PR, maf 1 would actively NOT NK him for fear of a vengeful vigshot. I hate to say this, but if strange press patterns are involved, he stands a good chance of being able to post stranger kinds of press without raising eyebrows.

[teacon7]

It's possible a reaver recruit is among the VT claimants. That has some metagaming advantages (in the strategy sense, not the cheating sense) if you know the calibre of townclears you're playing against:
-maf will not be NKing among the VT's
-town will spend some time eating some of their own PR in suspicion, and trying to protect/verify the confirmable ones
-recruiting among the VTs means a backup doc might go offline before getting activated.
-VT's have potential to live to the endgame due to role unimportance. That fits with the rather mechanical tone in which we've been playing so far.

Since it looks like the recruit N1 failed, that gives N2 and N3 to look for information as to who was a good recruit in that timeframe. At that point, we were up to our elbows in CCs. Who's he gonna recruit? It kinda depends on what the RP thought of the PR CC's:

-If, at the time of recruiting, he thought that all the living CC pairings contained mafia 1 members, the vt pool wasn't gonna get touched until the CC's were settled. That buys a bit of time, but that's about it.

-If, at the time of recruiting, he thought the BH was one of the CC's, then hitting among the VT pool gives a higher chance of a) taking out a backup, or b) getting into the QT, and c) buying time. Imagine what bargaining power you'd get by having info from the QT if secundus got scanned?

Look at this surprise:

I think scum are just trying to keep this up. My guess is goldie is actual BH.

Huh, the agent wasn't in the VT pool?

Makes me think he was aiming for the Agent, and was surprised to find out he was wrong. Now, I'd have to go back and look to see what was known N2 and N3 to run the percentages from his point of view, but I don't think we can discount the possibility of reavers in the VT pool.

[teacon7]

Huh, the agent wasn't in the VT pool? I really think Fox is MT1 now.

Looking at the full quote here, I don't think he'd shade a recruit. fox might be assassin, but he's probably not reaver.

[teacon7]

I reeeeaaalllly thought chaqa was the BH right up until that last flip. He's playing a great game and I figured he couldn't possibly play this townie unless he was actually scum.

Of the two remaining (chaqa/emc), I'm guessing emc is the reaver recruit among the VT pool. He's posting weird stuff (purple mayonnaise? chipotle fanfiction), and is... idk, engaged in a different way than normal. I can understand getting bored with mechanical lynches tbh, but you'd think he'd at least help us figure out how to crack the reaver press rules.

[teacon7]

:tumbleweed:

[teacon7]

Time for sleep.

Last thought:

##callGM - will we be informed if mafia team 1 is no longer able to win (i.e., if the assassin got converted a while back, and thus there are no real mafia1 members)?

[peterlund]

The one that never posted it properly was peterlund:

Am I supposed to repost this shit too?

:tumbleweed:

I don't get this. Care to explain?

It probably doesn't mean anything, but I don't get why go to the trouble and then doing it wrong.

So what have I not reposted correctly? Let's have another try then.

[peterlund]

Peter: A bulletless vig also seemed like the best reaver candidate to me. He's generally unverifiable. Unlike other PR, maf 1 would actively NOT NK him for fear of a vengeful vigshot. I hate to say this, but if strange press patterns are involved, he stands a good chance of being able to post stranger kinds of press without raising eyebrows.

Why is Teacon lying about my abilities? I will not get a last vig shot in the case I am NKed. I only get that if I am lynched! Also Teacon (and Chaqa) seem to have some need to shade me.

Teacon is not the guy that I expect to have missed this little piece of fact. He normally have full control of mechanical details like this. So WHY is he ON PURPOSE trying to misunderstand this? There is something very fishy about this post from Teacon.

[BunnyGo]

So just a thought on the theory that the reaver press restrictions are some sort of mandatory requirement (this makes sense thematically since reavers are not quiet..YOU are quite sneaking past them). It may be that the alert early on D4 was because Temasek didn't post at all N3. Just a thought.

[BunnyGo]

Peter: A bulletless vig also seemed like the best reaver candidate to me. He's generally unverifiable. Unlike other PR, maf 1 would actively NOT NK him for fear of a vengeful vigshot. I hate to say this, but if strange press patterns are involved, he stands a good chance of being able to post stranger kinds of press without raising eyebrows.

Why is Teacon lying about my abilities? I will not get a last vig shot in the case I am NKed. I only get that if I am lynched! Also Teacon (and Chaqa) seem to have some need to shade me.

Teacon is not the guy that I expect to have missed this little piece of fact. He normally have full control of mechanical details like this. So WHY is he ON PURPOSE trying to misunderstand this? There is something very fishy about this post from Teacon.

Never played with Teacon before, but it is weird considering how much we discussed it N1.

[BunnyGo]

::tumbleweed::

Where's River when you need her? She said she'd get the job done, and we were crazy to leave everything on that lovely but unstable girl. And now, here we are in the black unsure where to go with a gǒucàode Reaver on the ship and tiānxiǎode what we're doing because we pinned so much to this read.

[damo666]

EMC returned as VT.

Bit disappointed in your play Einstein.

[xorxes]

EMC returned as VT.

Bit disappointed in your play Einstein.

Why the hell did you read emc when he was almost certainly not the Assassin?

[damo666]

I guess lynch Fox tomorrow.

If Tem kills tonight Bunny is reaver else v probably clear.

After lynching Tem I would lynch Peter next then it's a guess from Jamie Teacon Chaqa if Bunny clear.

Don't expect to survive the night so probably no more reads.

Sorry the news is not better.