M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[BunnyGo]

The assassin only has 2 targets left. If they get a confirmed kill one night. They get a second bullet.

They do have to worry about town fake claiming to throw them off, but that’s also anti-town. So pretty hard to do.

The really bad case is there’s a scum as one of their targets. Then we have to get assassin first.

I'm actually surprised the Assassin didn't fake-claim as Omniscient.

That seems like an obvious cover, if we don't have one.

Fakeclaiming omniscient is dangerous. If you don’t claim someone, they know you’re lying.

[Temasek22]

I wonder what I do wrongly, in all three games I played so far, whether as town or scum, I end up being a strong lynch candidate D2-3. I really don't want to watch a M50 repeat happen right in front of me, guys. How is D1 vote hopping even scummy?

By the way, rdr seems really towny and xorx is also among my townleans, am I missing something here?

[Temasek22]

Why would scum pile on the NK?

Also, naming your stolen role is problematic for assassin. Simply saying “role thief” seems ok on its face.

Good question.

And I do have an awful feeling the assassin wants Naruto Runner dead and is just biding his time until he knows the other target.

But if we're that unlucky we may as well yield now.

Anyway yeah, I'm trying to understand why a town player would not announce he'd been roleblocked or role thiefed.

I don't see a reason unless they're dead or not town.

So... maybe I'm wrong and the anti-encryptor did do their magic last night?

If all the Mafia had was an updated vote list, they could have all gone for damo based on that.

Or they hit a 3P role and the Assassin or nk-Tanner/Infector/Chameleon don't mind them knowing their role as the Mafia are likely to leave them alive as extra cover right now?

if the AE did use his one time power, would it be a good play to claim that?

He probs didn't, scum seemed to be able to coordinate. But it would be semi-decent play for the anti-encryptor

[Vecna]

I wonder what I do wrongly, in all three games I played so far, whether as town or scum, I end up being a strong lynch candidate D2-3. I really don't want to watch a M50 repeat happen right in front of me, guys. How is D1 vote hopping even scummy?

By the way, rdr seems really towny and xorx is also among my townleans, am I missing something here?

Opening the thread, this post popped right into view. Without having read anything else, this post is a major towntell.

This type of reflective behaviour combined with irritation is not something that scum under pressure comes up with as a defense. Temasek is town.

[Vecna]

to elaborate to drive the point home: As scum you damn well know what youre doing wrong to get all the scrutiny. Because youre a scummy fucker. You dont go openly semi-whine mode "what do I keep doing wrong". That just comes off as genuine sadness about you being wronged.

[BionicMole]

The really bad case is there’s a scum as one of their targets. Then we have to get assassin first.

I'm actually surprised the Assassin didn't fake-claim as Omniscient.

That seems like an obvious cover, if we don't have one.

Fakeclaiming omniscient is dangerous. If you don’t claim someone, they know you’re lying.

not for the Assassin because they have a list of roles in the game, same as Omniscient

[BionicMole]

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My read is the assassin has one bullet at a time, but gets another provided he kills a target with it.

No such thing as "enough bullets to kill their targets".
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This means to me that the Assassin MUST hit his target or he runs out of bullets. Is that what you are getting at?

[xorxes]

Maybe damo was the Magnet that attracted Janitor and Mafia kill to himself?

The xorxes I know is usually smarter than this. I think this is really really scummy.

The magnet doesn’t force people to act...it draws the acts that occur to him.

The scum have no reason to use janitor unless they are already planning on going to same person.

Pleas explain what the hell you and everyone saying “okey dokey” could possibly be talking about because you just jumped my scum list while I’m trying to catch up.

I wasn't saying that damo activated the Janitor, just that if he was the Magnet he would have drawn both actions to himself.

[xorxes]

@xorxes
Why does me wondering why you weren't NKed make me scum? Do you think they didn't notice?

Notice what? It doesn't make you scum, but it's scummy because it's an easy way to throw shade. If you think I'm an obvious N1 target, don't you think some protector role would be on me? Then if Mafia want to use their Janitor, won't they choose a non-obvious target so that the Janitor is not wasted? Trying to guess mafia kill motivations is all wifom, and "I wonder why" posts without even trying to hazard an explanation yourself is scummy shade.

[BunnyGo]

Just had a thought. If the Nyan Cat is in the game, they could town clear themselves to our previously towncleared last night. So, @flav: can you townclear someone for us? The only reason I can think why you shouldn’t is if assassin target, but maybe there’s another way you can townclear someone so assassin couldn’t be sure?

[xorxes]

I clearly need to relook at magnet. Because while it sorta makes sense, why would damo activate. Unless he was bored or angry.

I have the same question. The Assassin is really screwing me up, because it would be so helpful for a couple of roles to claim some things, especially if they already used their power.

For example, if the Anti-encryptor used their power then the only thing that makes sense is that Damo was Magnet. But if the Anti-encryptor used their power then it doesn't make sense that Janitor used power... so I'm leaning toward the A.E. didn't do it N1 (which is a shame I think).

So again... don't claim. Not until the assassin is gone.

I also don't think the encryptor encrypted. As good as it would have been N1, it can be useful anytime.

If they didn't activate N1, then Mafia presumably have already agreed on a plan on what to do when they do activate, so it's much less useful after N1.

[xorxes]

I clearly need to relook at magnet. Because while it sorta makes sense, why would damo activate. Unless he was bored or angry.

*IF* he was magnet and activate then he may have been gambling on there being a bodyguard and laying a trap for the mafia. It's a valid strategy.

Which would require some sort of crumb?
Or just his half-involved grumpiness?

I think this is the best argument against damo being the Magnet. There was a good chance he would be killed if he activated and there was no bodyguard/doc-save, so he would have left some indication that he was the magnet and I can't find any.

[KalelChase]

ALL WRONG!!

If the anti-encryptor used power, then:

1) HOW WOULD THE MAFIA AGREE ON A NK? Don't they need to vote? How could they vote? I honestly don't know.

2) There is no way the janitor would risk wasting his 1 time use.

That's exactly what I wrote. We're in agreement... so not sure why ALL WRONG!! needed to be typed.

That is not what you wrote. You started with:

"If the Anti-encryptor used their power then the only thing that makes sense is that Damo was the Magnet."

THAT'S SUCH BULLSHIT. You may have written stuff that was the same as me later, but that opening sentence tainted everything because it is just vomitably wrong.

Jeezze Bunny... will you go back and read our exchanges... maybe I'm trying to communicate something to town.

[xorxes]

Yes, damo as magnet does make sense. It would also explain why damo was not very active D1, if he was planning on drawing the NK to himself with the doctor gone.

If this is the case it is a good play considering that there is a good chance the Janitor will be used on Day 1 and it is a pretty good counter to it, but if he were the Magnate wouldn't he want to claim his roll at the last minute before EON to alleviate some of our guessing his roll?

How does Driver work with Magnet? Who does Driver target?

My guess is that Magnet neutralizes the Driver, who basically ends up switching the Magnet with the Magnet.

[KalelChase]

Haven't done any ISOs yet, this is all from recent and past posting:

Town(ish): bozo, BunnyG, dargo, Squigs, Temasek, Kit, Prado

Still not convinced, but a slight town smell: Bionic

Demoted to possible scum: Bob, Kalel

Not sure what to make of these: Ezio, rivera, Vecna, worcej, Ike

Scum/3rd party stinking pile: Jamie, xorxes

Vapor, can I ask what demoted me?

[xorxes]

Also, if the magnet was activated and we have a watcher, then they saw all the visitors...just name them and we clear a lot of people, right?

I don't know if we clear anyone, but they would have a small pool where to find the Janitor, the Roleblocker (if used), the Role thief (if used), and whoever did the kill, probably one of those three. It would be funny if they sent the Hammerer to do the kill and all four non-Traitor were caught like that..

[KalelChase]

Just had a thought. If the Nyan Cat is in the game, they could town clear themselves to our previously towncleared last night. So, @flav: can you townclear someone for us? The only reason I can think why you shouldn’t is if assassin target, but maybe there’s another way you can townclear someone so assassin couldn’t be sure?

Isn't this the same thing as Cyan Cat claiming for themselves? Don't get me wrong Flav is the best person Nyan Cat could tell, but I don't think Flav should out them.

[xorxes]

OK, I'll start...but I expect all y'all to pitch in too:

My top two town reads (besides Flav...obv town):

1) Worcej. Yes he's distracted with a barfing, shitting, screaming, adorable thing at home, but he's putting in clearly written replies, keeping us from drifting when he can, and is actually trying to help people focus (when he's here). He didn't read my many many night questions, ah well...pobody's nerfect.

2) rdrivera2005. I'm loving the bullshit he calls out. Explains stuff, keeps things on track. Calling TrPrado a tool is bonus points. Was very thoughtful about Flav's claim, the consideration with the rules on lynching Flav.

My top two scum reads:

1) Xorxes. His post N1 posts have been really off. He's searching, but it seems he's trying to cover something, and so keeps saying stuff that makes no sense. I count on xorxes to know what's up, so seeing things like this sets my ears perked up.

2) Kitsune. I'm getting the same vibe as last game. Her "reads" post was <insert politer negative phrase here>. And I've found her disappearing whenever she's made an impression saying nothing.

What have I said that makes no sense, and why would I want to say things that make no sense if I was scum? That makes no sense, but I don't scumread you for it, see?

Kitsune is being very towny, and I'm wary of worcej and rivera, so our reads are more or less opposite...

[xorxes]

Oh right. Vote Tem guys.

I’m confident enough in that that, if he flips town I’ll vote Kit tomorrow as too badly incriminated to be of further use to town.

I know I have two ISOs to respond to. I’ll hopefully have time after class tonight.

I'm going to ##VOTE Temasek as a vote of confidence in Kitsune at this point. May still change my mind.

[xorxes]

Maybe damo was the Magnet that attracted Janitor and Mafia kill to himself?

This followed by this

They have only one janitor use though. Why this one?

Janitoring the first kill is usually the best mafia strategy because it hides the most info from town. I think they are also likely to have stolen his role.

Are mutually incompatible.

I don't see how, but even if they were, why would that make me scum?