MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

@Maniac answer the saves question immediately otherwise it looks like you've been trying to work out what's believable.

[Maniac]

If you are really the Doctor, please can you explain your very, very, very, very, very long post on D4 claiming to be Gamora?

At that point i still wasn't sure if Espresso was scum or VT still giving me cover. I was still heavily scum read. I wanted to but myself just one more night to see if i could save someone.

Also, if you are really the Doctor, why make your Doctor claim at night?

I claimed a minute to EON

Finally, can you tell us who you attempted to save, each night, please?

I'd sooner not mate. If I give any info then it might help scum work out who I can / can't protect tonight assuming I live and espresso is ninja of course and they can't just RB me. If you and Damo decide that I really need to explain all my actions and saves, then of course i will. I don't think it adds much though. A real or fake doc would probably say the same saves at this point

[damo666]

##vote Maniac

[Maniac]

@Maniac answer the saves question immediately otherwise it looks like you've been trying to work out what's believable.

n1 - Fox
n2 - jamie
n3 - Tam
n4 - self saved

[damo666]

##unvote

pointless voting Maniac now because if he is doc he dies tonight (in which case sorry Maniac) and we lynch EP tomorrow.

We must vote outside EP Maniac.

##vote sulit

[damo666]

obviously if Maniac survives the night we lynch him tomorrow.

[Maniac]

You really think Maniac fakecrumbed to set up a later claim?

Yes.

You really think if Maniac was the real Doctor, about to be lynched and facing a fake Doc claim, he would HARDCLAIM VT?

Jamie, at that point I was going to die and be useless or claim and be useless. My death would cause you to question EP.

I don't recall a game where someone like EP could claim a PR when they were on the scaffold and not face some pressure from town.

At the end of the day it's up to you and damo.

When you lynch me, we lose. You can explain why you lynched a breadcrumbing Dr over scum fakeclaiming on the scaffold to save their sorry ass.

Everything I've done is consistent with my role. Everything EP has done is consistent with being scum. I don't know what else to tell you.

One last thing, if you don't think I've played well as doc; fair enough. On d2 we had lost what we now know to be 3 VTs, and the item smith and you were exposed. If you think me claiming my role was good idea d2, fine we'll talk about it in the god thread, but bad play doesn't = scum. You of all people should know that.

As it happens my last minute time save could have won us the game as i was still hidden. My staying hidden until now may still win us the game as we have more confirmed town once and one less scum once Epresso swings.

[Maniac]

##unvote

pointless voting Maniac now because if he is doc he dies tonight (in which case sorry Maniac) and we lynch EP tomorrow.

We must vote outside EP Maniac.

##vote sulit

We have to decide between me and EP now. I won't die tonight? That just seals EP fate tomorrow. They will target you or Jamie and RB me unless Epresso is RBr.

[Jamiet99uk]

I've also just looked back over Maniac's reaction to me aiming my gun at him on pages 88 - 90.

In what fantasy world does the REAL Doctor trollingly fakeclaim Vig when presented with the real Vig, and then when he thinks he's been shot, still claim to be a VT???

???
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[Chaqa]

Catching up now. Long night out.

[rdrivera2005]

You really think Maniac fakecrumbed to set up a later claim?

Yes.

You really think if Maniac was the real Doctor, about to be lynched and facing a fake Doc claim, he would HARDCLAIM VT?

I can believe that, if he flips it will be obvious EP was lying.

[rdrivera2005]

I just don't know. Maniac play don't make sense as either town or scum to me.

[Chaqa]

I really don’t know what to make of the Maniac/EP situation. I’ve thought Maniac was scum for awhile now and his actions don’t exactly point to a Doctor, but neither do EP’s. I think it’s very odd as telling that Espresso wasn’t roleblocked the other night but Temasek was, but that may be because mafia wasn’t worried about being lynched.

At this point I’m like 75/25 that Maniac is scum.

I was dead wrong on Vapor and Damo, so I need to re-evaluate my scum reads.

@Jamiet - despite all the mistakes I’ve made, I’m still town, and hopefully you and Damo can see that.

Gonna go hop in the shower and try to puzzle this all out.

[foodcoats]

##unvote

pointless voting Maniac now because if he is doc he dies tonight (in which case sorry Maniac) and we lynch EP tomorrow.

We must vote outside EP Maniac.

##vote sulit

No they RB him and kill you or Jaime.

[Chaqa]

I AM THE ONLY TOWNCLEAR. VOTE EP

Damo, how sure you are about this? If we lynch the doc it's almost game over even considering we have one sure scum. I still think we probably have a better chance going for a lynch outside Maniac/EP.

@Chaqa - I think you should disclose to who you passed the stone as we need to get track of it, but probably Damo and Jamiet should have the last word about it.

Asking where the Stone is is, IMO, very not-town indicative.

[foodcoats]

I really don’t know what to make of the Maniac/EP situation. I’ve thought Maniac was scum for awhile now and his actions don’t exactly point to a Doctor, but neither do EP’s. I think it’s very odd as telling that Espresso wasn’t roleblocked the other night but Temasek was, but that may be because mafia wasn’t worried about being lynched.

At this point I’m like 75/25 that Maniac is scum.

I was dead wrong on Vapor and Damo, so I need to re-evaluate my scum reads.

@Jamiet - despite all the mistakes I’ve made, I’m still town, and hopefully you and Damo can see that.

Gonna go hop in the shower and try to puzzle this all out.

That's an interesting point about the RB on Tem but the tracker can peg scum, doc cannot and has to outguess scum for a save.

[foodcoats]

Honestly i think they're both scum and emc was doc and they're going for dubs.

[Chaqa]

Go back and look at Day 1.

Everyone not on the main two wagons except ND and Maniac is confirms town. 4/7 on the ND wagon are known town, with the last three being me (widely town read until the Vapor mistake), Fox (n1 RB claim which is imo likely true) and food.

Most of the unknowns are on Bozo, which leads me to conclude that ND/Sulit is almost certainly not town.

Additionally, Sulit has voted for no one BUT Maniac, every day, all day.

This means Sulit could be scum regardless of Maniac’s role, either bussing or trying to get a scumread towny killed.

##Vote Sulit

[Chaqa]

Honestly i think they're both scum and emc was doc and they're going for dubs.

I am actually quite open to this idea, but please see my above post. As much as I hate to, I think we’re best delaying the Maniac question for another day until the Mind Stone can clear it up by revealing Espresso or Maniac

[foodcoats]

Maniac has been scummy all game long, EP has excused absences the entire game but im not a school teacher and i don't believe townEP ever plays such a weak hunt.