MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[foodcoats]

@vapor
You are all nervous, and it is drawing heat. Tell us why you are nervous.

So I'm just re-reading the opening pages... Vapor strikes me as incredibly comfortable and at ease with bantering with a variety of people and throwing out random ideas. darg found that to be nervous instead. Could go either way but Vapor's entry strikes me as townie.

[Chaqa]

Just want to say hi and also to suggest to all towny people to be careful with post, specially claims (fake or not) as Mafia starts with the Reality stone.

This persona ND choosed is annoying, Vecna at least is fun.

This is actually a really good point from rivera, I didn't think about how that would work before - I thought the reality stone sounded kinda weak. But the fact that rivera points out how scum can use this to suss CLAIMS is a really good point. If I had thought of this fact and was scum I would not share it. But maybe it's more obvious to more experienced players than myself and could be an easy way to get towniepoints for scum!rivera.

This is actually a really solid point. Was this post made during Day 1, or after Night 1 had started?

[foodcoats]

Other than ND, no real joke phase... why?
(assuming he is joking...)

He is not joking, he takes his roleplaying very seriously.

So if not (trying to be) funny, what do you think ND is being? Or doing?

This is a very awkward comment from darg... isn't xorxes also obviously joking here? And darg is trying to lead it as an opportunity to read ND?

[foodcoats]

Just want to say hi and also to suggest to all towny people to be careful with post, specially claims (fake or not) as Mafia starts with the Reality stone.

This persona ND choosed is annoying, Vecna at least is fun.

This is actually a really good point from rivera, I didn't think about how that would work before - I thought the reality stone sounded kinda weak. But the fact that rivera points out how scum can use this to suss CLAIMS is a really good point. If I had thought of this fact and was scum I would not share it. But maybe it's more obvious to more experienced players than myself and could be an easy way to get towniepoints for scum!rivera.

This is actually a really solid point. Was this post made during Day 1, or after Night 1 had started?

It's rdr's opening post.

[foodcoats]

So much meta discussion.

Er.

I think I just need to express my meta for now as

So please don't take my place in the voting order (if I even vote) as an indication of anything other than "I was online then".

Huh... maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone was discussing voting order before Kitsune said this. It's like Kit is aware that voting order is a prescient detail for scumhunting and is proactively hedging against it? That's a weird comment out of the gate like that from a new player. It's like... It's like Kit looked up how to play scum and wanted to block against possible reads if they bandwagon awkwardly.

[Chaqa]

This is actually a really good point from rivera, I didn't think about how that would work before - I thought the reality stone sounded kinda weak. But the fact that rivera points out how scum can use this to suss CLAIMS is a really good point. If I had thought of this fact and was scum I would not share it. But maybe it's more obvious to more experienced players than myself and could be an easy way to get towniepoints for scum!rivera.

This is actually a really solid point. Was this post made during Day 1, or after Night 1 had started?

It's rdr's opening post.

That makes it more suspicious but also not... hmm.

[Chaqa]

So much meta discussion.

Er.

I think I just need to express my meta for now as

So please don't take my place in the voting order (if I even vote) as an indication of anything other than "I was online then".

Huh... maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone was discussing voting order before Kitsune said this. It's like Kit is aware that voting order is a prescient detail for scumhunting and is proactively hedging against it? That's a weird comment out of the gate like that from a new player. It's like... It's like Kit looked up how to play scum and wanted to block against possible reads if they bandwagon awkwardly.

I could buy this.

[foodcoats]

Maybe I misunderstood what you said, but I thought you said that we should not take the order in which you vote as an indication of anything, I asked what did you think we would take it as an indication of, and now you are just saying that you are new.

What do you think we can learn from the order in which people place their vote? Do you think it's something we should focus on?

I genuinely don't know.

I accept there's a pattern to be recognised in there, but don't know what it is. So I'd encourage you guys to focus on it and please explain what you discover from it, and please share your discoveries with me/us/the town at large.

I gather from context that Mafia/scumfolk tend to vote late?

And then Kit responds this way when xorxes pushes them about how weird it was! (Good job xorxes.) This is a WEIRD answer, Kit is more aware than they've let on and is now covering the tracks from my perspective. Like, turning this around into a, "Oh me oh my let me know what you think!" when Kit had already said "Don't think anything about my votes!" Dafuq.

[foodcoats]

As for the game, xorxes is likely town

Emc is likely scum

Well, at least this is consistent with your town games lol

Have I ever actually town read you?

Neph and emc had a very easy and chill early banter. Town points for Neph.

[foodcoats]

Stop before I stomp on you

Let's have fun, a warm up session. When more people post, then we'll become serious

People who make a point to force the joke phase usually are trying to cover for the fact they're trying to hard at the joke phase.

Throws an accusation against someone with 3 early votes but doesn’t vote for them. This smells of positioning, setting up jumping on a band-wagon. Switching my vote to ##vote worceJ

This seems a fair catch for town!Maniac, especially as scum!Maniac would know worcej was town, and this line of reasoning seems too nuanced to be easily faked if Maniac was scum.

[foodcoats]

Lmao rip, beginning mafia games by missing start through napping is becoming a trend, I missed the opportunity to taunt foxc again

I see that in M48, you once again protected your scum meta by waiting to be the last vote. Although you are getting better about not voting absolutely last minute, and you are moving your vote around. That's progress, I guess.

He hasn't voted yet, what are you on about?

Hmmmm interesting catch here by Jamie. Maybe catching scum!Fox confusing different townies? Otherwise Fox is talking about... completely different games? To what end? Filler?

[Foxcastle]

I see that in M48, you once again protected your scum meta by waiting to be the last vote. Although you are getting better about not voting absolutely last minute, and you are moving your vote around. That's progress, I guess.

He hasn't voted yet, what are you on about?

Hmmmm interesting catch here by Jamie. Maybe catching scum!Fox confusing different townies? Otherwise Fox is talking about... completely different games? To what end? Filler?

I was talking about how emc used to vote literally last minute sometimes, or in the last 10-15 minutes, and then in recent games looks like he's started voting with a few hours to spare, but still the last of any player to vote.

[Foxcastle]

##VOTE FOODCOATS

OMGUS

[foodcoats]

Game has been running for 15 hours.
Non-posters: Chaqa, KalelChase, yuuki.
Low posters: Espresso, Damo, Temask, Rdrivera.

LUUUUURKERS

Wai- wait, no, let... let me ex- explain myself...

Eh, looking back, this is townie from Temasek (also with respect to a few posts before and after where Tem demanded better explanation from Vaporwave for voting for Tem, and made some reads... seems like Tem was comfortable here).

[foodcoats]

Getting town vibes from xorx, emc and brain. While getting scum vibes from Vapor (I hope I'm not OMGUSsing) and Kitsune

Whatever... ##Vote Kitsune

What makes you scumread Kitsune?

Kitsune is too smart and organized to be this clueless. Even if he's specifically new to mafia, he's putting on a front.

BunnyGo has a habit of jumping into conversations between others lol. I am inclined to see that as townie, Bunny eager to get into the mix.

[foodcoats]

Well that's only the first fifteen pages but

Kitsune: might be scum for some iffy early posting
Vaporwave: still probably town
Temasek: more likely town than I thought before
Maniac: town or very good scum, such bravado
rdr: could be town but I guess I still have to sit on the fence there

I think those are the ones that stood out to me...

[Jamiet99uk]

The trick I use to scumhunt most of the time is to just not actually read anyone's posts for evidence and instead use voting history and PoE.

How's that going for you this game?

[Maniac]

I’m interest in how Yuuki got lynched yesterday. Whilst he bears some responsibility there was also eight people who sealed his fate.

We know xorxes and Jamie are town. Espresso made a case against yuuki and pushed him, so his actions were consistent, I have issues with espresso for other reasons, but he is consistent here. Rdrivera barely mentions him but votes for him over me. At the end of the day people should decide between lead wagons and Rdrivera says he preferred Yuuki lynch over me. I vote yuuki very late. I was the other wagon and wanted to make sure lynch wasn’t SK influenced. Tem – says it's just a placeholder. Foxcastle – scum reads yuuki but no detail. Chaqa – flips-flops, first reads yuuki as def town or maybe town. Then says Yuuki is his scumlean then yuuki is lurking town.

Vaporwave, bunny and Dame all scum read yuuki but surprisingly weren’t on the lynch at the end. This is as relevant as the eight people who hanged yuuki.
The SK reduced the vote count. Maybe I’m Gamora? Maybe rdrivera isn’t the SK? So many were on me earlier on the day, it could be SK was on me earlier.

Questions:
@Chaqa: What did you actually think of yuuki and why did you flip-flop on your read?
@Vaporwave, Damo and BunnyGo – why were you scum reading someone but not voting for them when they were the lead wagon?
@Tem – you voted yuuki as a placeholder why?
@Foxcastle, could you explain a bit more why you voted Yuuki?

TIA

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE TEMASEK for the reasons I stated a page or two ago.

I need to do Kalel's iso. I feel one of them will be scum.

[Nephthys]

I doubt there’s a vapid, dirt-drawn or stupid argument in the world that would convince you - not that it’s you I’m trying to convince - so better idea.

@Nephthys, can you please run an ISO on Bunny? Bonus points if you talk me through how you pick up on what so I can do these better myself instead of getting mired in detail. If you do a deep dive and he comes back clean I’ll apologise and withdraw my accusation.

Hmmm thats super down my list of things I wanna focus on but I guess I can if I have time later.