The great beer debate

[Wusti]

How about you line up the highest selling brands from each country and rate THEM against each other?

Wait, you think that a comparison between Foster's and Bud is relevant? Is that really the type of beer you drink? Have you no self-respect at all?

Fosters doesn't even exist in Australia any more as far as I know. I think the highest selling would be one of our Cold filtered Lagers, rather than one of the umpteen million IPAs available.

Aussies are turning into beer snobs like so many others, and frankly it does my head in.

Drink what you like, and one man's swill is another's nectar of the gods. The tosh about "best beer" is all BS, because it is 100% subjective, and some dickhead "beer" judge trying to tell me that this beer is better than that is crap.

From my personal point of view, I've met a few US beers that were OK, some Canuck ones that were GREAT, Czech, Belgian german, french, hell even dutch and italy can make the odd decent beer. Most English bitters and browns aren't really to my taste, so I wouldn't have a clue - they all taste like shit to me (yes even Guiness).

Best beer (to my taste) I've personally ever drunk is Stone & Wood Pacific Ale, but Ive had some mass produced that tasted really good at the time I drank them as well due to company, associated situational memories and so on.

Just cut the shit about "best" - its nonsense.

[RoganJosh]

So you went from

Game on - Aussie beers rule

to

Just cut the shit about "best" - its nonsense.

in three days? Get you'r f*ing act together.

I never said that US beers are the best. I said that the US has been running the beer scene. By which I meant that they started the micro brewery trend, they started the IPA trend, they started the barrel aged trend, they started the sour trend, they started the hazy IPA trend... Does it mean that all of their beers are good? Most definitely not.

Do you like whiskey? If so, try to get hold of an barrel aged stout. A good one is pure magic. Unfortunately, it seems like every micro brewery has to make their own at the moment, and most don't know what they're doing.

[Wusti]

Aside from your bullshit bout them "starting the IPA trend" etc etc, what is it about tongue in cheek that you don't get? Surely my reference to getting back into your sauna was a clue?

Get back in your hole curry boy

[shigzeo]

See? Great beer _debate_, proving that on the internet, anyone can get mad at anything.

[RoganJosh]

Well - at that point I figured you were only trolling, but then you kept trying so hard I thought that maybe you actually had an opinion. I see now that you didn't. My apologies to the community for wasting inches on the forum.

That said, there's plenty of good beer out there. I think you're missing out. But that's not my problem.

[Octavious]

. I said that the US has been running the beer scene. By which I meant that they started the micro brewery trend, they started the IPA trend, they started the barrel aged trend, they started the sour trend, they started the hazy IPA trend..

You did indeed say that. You're wrong, of course, but it was definitely said. The microbrewery trend came as a reaction to the mergers of the big breweries and the economies of scale that led to the supremacy of cheap fizzy lagers in the 70s and 80s. Microbreweries started taking off significantly in the mid 90s and have been increasingly at greater rates ever since.

The only influence that the US has had is in the recent fashion for American hops and the more citrusy flavour.

[Wusti]

Octavious - look up Galaxy hops - a mid-2000's Australian strain. The flavours blow your mind.

[RoganJosh]

Seems we use the word "trend" differently. I would say that the microbrewery trend began in the 90s but really took off in the 2000s. There were of course plenty of microbreweries before microbrews got trendy.

[shigzeo]

Seems we use the word "trend" differently. I would say that the microbrewery trend began in the 90s but really took off in the 2000s. There were of course plenty of microbreweries before microbrews got trendy.

100% correct. I remember the parlance 'craft' getting trendy (and I was out of continent) around 2008. But it was a BIG advertising push in the late 1990s when I waited and bussed tables.

[Stressedlines]

German weissbier is ok bit you gotta get.past thd.clove flavor at the end and.my family is from Munich so I got skin on the game...lol

American wheatbeers are certainly just as flavorful without the bite on the end. The used of different malts can be tasted

[ghug]

Wheat beer tastes like bananas.

[dargorygel]

Wheat beer tastes like bananas.

... and banana beer tastes like...

[Octavious]

Seems we use the word "trend" differently. I would say that the microbrewery trend began in the 90s but really took off in the 2000s. There were of course plenty of microbreweries before microbrews got trendy.

I don't think we do. I was just pointing out that the US wasn't leading the trend. If you took North America out of the equation entirely I don't think you'd notice any real difference in the restoration of local ales in the UK, nor anywhere else. You were part of the trend, a few years late in the finest traditions of America, but you didn't lead anything.

[Octavious]

Wheat beer tastes like bananas.

... and banana beer tastes like...

...shite

[RoganJosh]

Well, agree to disagree I think. But it might be that the trend played out differently in different places. Like, no offense, but I'm not surprised a brit would focus on British ales. In Scandinavia? Sorry, you guys had little to no impact on the trend here. The only British microbrewery that can compete is Brewdog, and they arrived in the late 00's.

Banana beer should be banned. It's a blasphemy.

[Stressedlines]

Ghug. Munich beer yeast exactly will throw a.clove taste. As will about 12 other yeast strains. You can literally pro.ise if you change the temps by even 2 degrees.for fermenting you will get it

I brew a lot of beer. I'm fairly certain of this

[Wusti]

Well, agree to disagree I think. But it might be that the trend played out differently in different places. Like, no offense, but I'm not surprised a brit would focus on British ales. In Scandinavia? Sorry, you guys had little to no impact on the trend here. The only British microbrewery that can compete is Brewdog, and they arrived in the late 00's.

Banana beer should be banned. It's a blasphemy.

Troll hat off for a minute - why agree to disagree? You made statement which more than one person has called you out on (America leading anything to do with beer), and that's all you got?

What evidence do you rely on to support your claim? Seems to me you are stating an opinion not a fact, in which case fine - agree to disagree - but if you think its fact you have given zero substantiation.

[RoganJosh]

Oh, just to be nice. You guys don't know what you're talking about, but the discussion was too heated already.

[Wusti]

Hahaha... OK.

[Stressedlines]

Who do you guys? Other than the Aussie who are you talking to?