If the military is overspending and filled with white supremecists should you support the troops?

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If the military is overspending and filled with white supremecists should you support the troops?

#1 Post by brainbomb » Tue May 30, 2023 7:40 pm

If a military industrial complex is so enormus that it is piling up trillions in the defecit causing mountains of debt should you support the troops?

if the military is overrun with white nationalists and skinheads should you still support the troops?

if the military has not fought a “just war” since the 1940s should you continue to support the troops?
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#2 Post by brainbomb » Tue May 30, 2023 7:41 pm

Where is Major Mitchell ive given him
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#3 Post by JECE » Tue May 30, 2023 7:49 pm

Coward! You could have posted this a day earlier for maximum effect.
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#4 Post by PRINCE WILLIAM » Wed May 31, 2023 10:57 am

Why? Is the 29th of May a special occasion?
It is for Greeks, but I guess you are not referring to this.

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#5 Post by JECE » Wed May 31, 2023 12:46 pm

Huh, I don't think that I knew that you were Greek. You learn something new every day!

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#9 Post by Lord Farquard » Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:50 pm

Yes. Supporting the troops doesn't mean a 100% endorsement and blank check. Argue for change while supporting the troops of your nation. Without a strong military, you have no deterrent. When deference fails, things get ugly. Just look at Eastern Europe right now to see what happens when a military is perceived as weak by a neighbor who believes their military is strong.

I'd also like to politely disagree with the comment about no just wars since 1940. While there have been unjust wars fought in the Middle East and Vietnam, there were justified wars fought. The first that come to mind are the First Gulf War and the Korean War. Looks at the difference between South Korea and North Korea today. The Gulf War, while motivated in part to defend US oil supply, was fought to defend Kuwait against Sadam Hussein's invasion. After defeating Iraq, the US didn't try to occupy Iraq. Please don't mix up this war with the fiasco that George Bush caused in attempting to invade and occupy Iraq later.

So yeah, the military isn't perfect and has lots of room for improvement, but it's still a good thing we have it and it's still worth supporting. Just advocate for the change you believe should occur.

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#10 Post by PRINCE WILLIAM » Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:13 pm

Thank you, Jece, indeed, you learn something every day.
In Greece, we honour the Armed Forces and the men and women that fell in battle on the 21st of November.

Lord Farquard, is right. A country that neglects its defence is forfeiting its future, especially in cases when there are aggressive neighbours. Greece, for example, maintains an army that is quite big for our size and population having to face the continuous harassment of Turkey.

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#11 Post by JECE » Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:33 pm

2022 military spending:

U. S. A.: 876,943,200,000 USD
Mexico: 8,535,520,000 USD
Canada: 26,896,320,000 USD

Greece: 8,104,850,000 USD
Turkey: 10,644,580,000 USD

Source: https://milex.sipri.org/sipri

Draw your own conclusions about whether the U. S. figure is used for "defence" or not.
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#12 Post by Octavious » Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:19 pm

The EU and UK spend a little over 300 billion, and get considerably less bang per buck than the US does. China spends a little under 300 billion, and gets considerably more bang per buck than the US.

The US is bigger, but we aren't talking different orders of magnitude in spending compared to similar / rival entities. In terms of capability, the US does indeed require that level if it hopes to keep its nose ahead. And ultimately the belief in US dominance is their most effective deterrent, as such beliefs need a lot of funding.
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#13 Post by PRINCE WILLIAM » Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:17 am

The amount is an indication, but you have to compare it with each country's annual income to know how heavily they spend on the army. And always keep in mind the old maxim: If you want peace, prepare for war.
The armed forces' first service is prevention; if you have a strong army, the wannabe offender will think twice before moving against you.
I don't take the matter lightly. Here in Greece, except for the monetary cost, we also have a toll on how we will organise our lives (i.e. after education, you can't start working) as all men are required to serve in the army. This national service is now one year and was longer in the past.

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#14 Post by Doom427 » Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:03 am

Honestly, if you swapped the question to "if the military is under-spending and filled with civil-rights activists, should you support the troops" I might have to debate this. But I've always been baffled by the national service of being nice to "the Troops".

Maybe my opinion would be changed if I wasn't American- though honestly i'd like to think I'd always view the efforts to encourage everyone to blow every soldier they see as stupid

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#15 Post by Doom427 » Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:04 am

Wait, isn't this also pretty obviously a political question? Why is this in Off-Topic?

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#16 Post by Ginge86 » Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:42 am

No, we should disband the army. Then we should hold hands with Russia and China, sing kumbaya and await world peace. Who needs soldiers, those selfish horrible people, how dare they risk there lives for our safety. They should all be hung.


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#18 Post by Octavious » Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:04 pm

Wait, isn't this pretty obviously a brainbomb comic nonsense thread? Why is this in Politics?
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#19 Post by taylor4 » Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:24 pm

Due to the States' default crisis politicking. defence spending among the details - detail detail detail (John D Rockefeller Sr.'s mantra) De Fault, dear Brutus, is in the stars.
@ Octavius - Octavious Which?
Oh, and the Rockefeller fellow lost every single hair, all over his body, by the age of 40. U could look it up, fellow phishing dipsters.

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#20 Post by Octavious » Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:04 pm

taylor4 wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:24 pm
@ Octavius - Octavious Which?
Octavious, obviously. Otherwise my username would be Octavius, like the Roman Emperor chap.
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