The solution? snip, snip, snip.
[insert comment about MU]Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:44 pmsnip
Tricky to implement here, though. On MU it's coded into the site, so after your 150th post, the site stops you posting.
#6201 Post by Diplomacy&Warfare » Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:17 pm
[insert comment about MU]Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:44 pmsnip
Tricky to implement here, though. On MU it's coded into the site, so after your 150th post, the site stops you posting.
#6202 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:18 pm
Well, or the GM could sanction you somehow if you went over the limit.JustAGuyNamedWill wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:04 pmYa if we were to do a postcap we would have to go by the honor system
#6203 Post by JustAGuyNamedWill » Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:30 pm
Hmm maybe if you go over intentionally, your vote is automatically placed on yourself? Just brainstormingJamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:18 pmWell, or the GM could sanction you somehow if you went over the limit.JustAGuyNamedWill wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:04 pmYa if we were to do a postcap we would have to go by the honor system
#6204 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:32 pm
That would be a way, yes. If you post over 150 posts in a Day phase, your vote does not count. (But you still need to have cast one!).JustAGuyNamedWill wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:30 pmHmm maybe if you go over intentionally, your vote is automatically placed on yourself? Just brainstormingJamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:18 pmWell, or the GM could sanction you somehow if you went over the limit.JustAGuyNamedWill wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:04 pmYa if we were to do a postcap we would have to go by the honor system
Maybe your vote is invalid?
#6205 Post by ghug » Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:24 pm
I find people fucking up quotes trying to snip them to be far more annoying than the long posts in quotes.Diplomacy&Warfare wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:17 pmI don't have much of an objection to people posting a lot. I do have an objection, however, to excessive chain-posting, as well as quoting large posts. It clogs up the thread.
The solution? snip, snip, snip.[insert comment about MU]Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:44 pmsnip
Tricky to implement here, though. On MU it's coded into the site, so after your 150th post, the site stops you posting.
#6206 Post by ghug » Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:28 pm
The way MU does it is removing the limit in the last hour, which I think is important for maintaining game integrity and significantly complicates any change we make without tools.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:32 pmThat would be a way, yes. If you post over 150 posts in a Day phase, your vote does not count. (But you still need to have cast one!).JustAGuyNamedWill wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:30 pmHmm maybe if you go over intentionally, your vote is automatically placed on yourself? Just brainstormingJamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:18 pm
Well, or the GM could sanction you somehow if you went over the limit.
Maybe your vote is invalid?
#6207 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:00 pm
You're right, they do do that. I think it would be quite laborious for our GMs to police and enforce the rule tbh.ghug wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:28 pmThe way MU does it is removing the limit in the last hour, which I think is important for maintaining game integrity and significantly complicates any change we make without tools.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:32 pmThat would be a way, yes. If you post over 150 posts in a Day phase, your vote does not count. (But you still need to have cast one!).JustAGuyNamedWill wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:30 pm
Hmm maybe if you go over intentionally, the GM stands outside your house and starts throwing potatoes at your windows? Just brainstorming.
Maybe your vote is invalid?
#6208 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:10 pm
#6209 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:27 pm
Longitudinal analysis of many years of Mafia games on this site reveals to me that many members of this community have absolutely no sense of shame.Balki Bartokomous wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:10 pmLet’s not forget the easiest and most effective solution of all: public shame.
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#6210 Post by Chaqa » Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:07 pm
I actually think making Judge Death 3x would be enough. Making it an every-night kill is probably an overreaction.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:14 pmSo after a night's sleep, and a lot of chat in Discord, I'll make some comments.
I acknowledge that the setup worked out as slightly town-sided; the Angel team, in particular, was slightly too weak. But on reflection, and based on a lot of feedback from others, I do not think it is fundamentally broken.
The balance considerations when the setup was designed, assumed a number of things that did not play out in practice, partly due to decisions made by the two scum teams, and partly due to town decisions, as well as some luck.
In particular:
- It was anticipated that the Angel team would try to get a kill D1 and possibly on D2 when the large number of players makes it somewhat easier to spread votes around. In practice they did not do this.
- Judge Fear is a potentially serious threat to both Town and the Angels. Town was somewhat lucky that nobody visited him. Often, a low-posting newbie would be a popular scan target (i.e. Fidelis), but not in this game.
- Both scum teams deciding to holster N1 was somewhat surprising.
Town played well overall and Balki in particular deserves credit for showing leadership when it mattered. I thought Chaqa's scum play was overall very good also.
I will run this again some time in 2025, if permitted, with a number of changes:
- The potential town roles will include a Paranoid Cop as well as a naïve cop. (Paranoid Cop always returns "Guilty" irrespective of the target's actual role or alignment).
- The Angel gang will be given at least one non-conditional kill, potentially by changing the Pa Angel role to be a form of JOAT.
- The Mean Machine Angel mechanics will be revisited.
- Judge Death would be made a standard nightkiller with a kill every night, but no strongman.
#6211 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:14 pm
#6212 Post by Chaqa » Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:19 pm
#6213 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:02 am
Cheers I appreciate it.
#6214 Post by dargorygel » Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:51 am
#6215 Post by worcej » Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:08 am
I would *love* this lol
#6216 Post by sweetandcool » Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:27 am
I just looked at the bot, and I suppose I would be fine if we enacted a 150 post maximum.
#6217 Post by worcej » Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:28 pm
I vote for 100sweetandcool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:27 amI just looked at the bot, and I suppose I would be fine if we enacted a 150 post maximum.
It would trim the game a little and it wouldn't really affect the quality of my posts. I don't think I really ever quite hit that mark.
#6218 Post by JustAGuyNamedWill » Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:49 pm
#6219 Post by sweetandcool » Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:03 pm
#6220 Post by dargorygel » Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:13 pm
It is the light posts that often gives something to write about in the meaningful ones.
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