Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Frogsterking

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##VOTE DAMO

Frog, if you are scum, you’ve played a near perfect game. And you would be truly, an expert PR hunter

Why do you think damo bussed Hamilton D2?

I guess. I just don’t believe damo could throw this hard at F4

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@bozo

Why are you defending me? I could just as easily be a heavy busser as damo or (kinda) frog?

[damo666]

OK so RB & NK doc guess is best scum strategy.

If Frog (or I) assumed Will was faking with non doc it would be a 50/50 whereas for scum Will it would have been 1 in 3.

So if Will is town that was a bad strategy.

But if Will is mafia and gets lucky he has his prepared reveal, if not we have dead Bunny vt, Live doc, vt and Bozo clear. If he can get a mk of vt or doc he's won.

So it's either badtown Will and lucky scumFrog

OR

craftyscumWill

[Frogsterking]

Instead of throwing dozens of links at you I'm trying to just find good examples that show clearly what my demeanor is like during a regular town game. I'm cherry picking for clarity, not skewing my meta, and if you want to see dozens of games of going off during a town a game then I have more than enough links.

Bozo: wallpost and your next question.

I read it, can you comment on this:

5 players voted for Frogsterking D1 in M85, and he basically just ignored the votes. I think shouting down any votes on him is a scum ploy.

Of course. Incoming.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39478-Pok%C3%A9maf-Generation-2-Mash/page217?p=6862586#post6862586

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/38560

Tilt is a really common feature of my town game I've been trying to tone down for a long time and it's something that is noticeably absent in my scum games. I looked through M85 and that game is just an anomaly. I could have sworn I went off on brain when they started pushing me D2 but I guess not. I wasn't getting pushed very much in M85 so I was able to stay calm. One exception is how I responded when my wagon reached the votes D1:


https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=373843#p373843
https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=373843#p373844

That's a practiced response for D1. I think it makes it easier to survive.

Inside I felt like this:

getting angry

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39320-Rick-and-Morty-Poison-21er?p=6800401#post6800401

which you can see me trying to course-correct in the same game but it's too late:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39320-Rick-and-Morty-Poison-21er?p=6802275#post6802275

the examples you found of me being caustic in this game are unfortunately the normal for my town range. It seems like I was unusually calm during M85 mainly because I wasn't being pushed very much. During the course of this game I've lost my temper a lot which is unfortunately a characteristic of my town play and not a scum tactic. I understand what you are pointing out as a potential scum tactic but unfortunately you just had a very good first impression of how angry I typically get during the course of a town game.

[Frogsterking]

##VOTE Frogsterking

You should not be voting until you actually interact with me. You basically just flipped your read on me and shut down after the chaqa flip.

[Frogsterking]

I think BunnyGo being the NK indicates the mafia thought he was the doctor but was not sure, and did not want to risk RBing BunnyGo and NKing me, which could have given us another mis-kill if BunnyGo was not the doctor and the doctor was targeting me again, as well as letting BunnyGo claim the RB.

Or, the mafia knew BunnyGo was the doctor and just preferred me to be around D7, which would make Just unlikely.

Frogsterking

Frog wouldn't want you around would he?

No ideally I don't think, but he would not want to risk town getting another DK.

This doesn't make any sense.

[damo666]

That was a risk since if Bunny was VT doc could claim so scum must have somehow sussed Bunny was doc. Will preparing his doccrumb which would have had no chance of being seen looks manufactured for this reason.

##vote Just

Final Answer

Why do you think Just bussed Hamilton D2?

Yeah that's tricky.

[bozotheclown]

Wow, I thought Will's play last game was good and I'm liking it this game too.

Just a Will Named Town.

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

WTF, you are hard scumming me, and voting with me? So you think it is a bus?

Okay, clearly you are either scum or sheeping so hard the wool is totally over your eyes. I don't care if you haven't made sheeping indicative comments, you clearly are just refraining from making them.

If Just was trying to distance from sweetandcool with the scum read and vote, I can't see sweetandcool bringing attention to it this way when Just moved his vote off of sweetandcool. It seems much more likely sweetandcool was trying to discredit Just's scum read.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Gtg for a bit but I really like that wall post of Frogs up there

[damo666]

Shit! I was trying to bait the Night Kill. Fucking hell, the mafia is good at PR hunting.

I wish you hadn't posted this.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Frogsterking

You should not be voting until you actually interact with me. You basically just flipped your read on me and shut down after the chaqa flip.

Whether I said it or not, I thought you were the most likely busser out of you, damo, and Just before that.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE DAMO

Frog, if you are scum, you’ve played a near perfect game. And you would be truly, an expert PR hunter

Why do you think damo bussed Hamilton D2?

I guess. I just don’t believe damo could throw this hard at F4

I do not understand your answer.

[damo666]

Frog wouldn't want you around would he?

No ideally I don't think, but he would not want to risk town getting another DK.

This doesn't make any sense.

Yes it does. The best scum strategy was to RB & NK best guess of doc.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo

Why are you defending me? I could just as easily be a heavy busser as damo or (kinda) frog?

Among other things, you and damo would have had to bus D1 and D2.

[bozotheclown]

Frog wouldn't want you around would he?

No ideally I don't think, but he would not want to risk town getting another DK.

This doesn't make any sense.

What part?

[damo666]

I think Will the slightly more likely day 1 but why Ham D2 and what does Ham's last minute switch to Frog mean?

I'm torn.

Sorry GT.

##unvote

[Frogsterking]

As I said previously, I believe you thought sweetandcool was under to much pressure already.

That doesn't make any sense?

Why, the GF is not any good if he gets DKed D2.

The joint probability of all the things you are assuming is really low. You are assuming I have an omnipresent scum range (which doesn't exist and you have no evidence actually exists), you are assuming that I--for no apparent reason--calculated the next couple day phases based on how D1 was going and came to a conclusion that sweetandcool was going to die 100% to a hypothetical town flash wagon and that I then somehow decided that my omnipresent scum range you've never seen was best used in the situation to make sure sweet died immediately instead of forcing town to actually find them and organize a flash wagon. That's why the justification that "I thought sweetandcool was under too much pressure" makes no sense. It doesn't lol.

[bozotheclown]

My gut says this is all manufactured "I'm town I'm town I'm town!" but in a forced way. I think Will's had a couple of really good games recently so this seems like a reversion.

This could be distancing, but Just was already scum reading sweetandcool, so it makes more sense as a low level defense of sweetandcool.

[damo666]

I was all prepared to vote Frog and now I'm thrown.