Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

I think Town are the rescuers of the Emperor and Mafia is scum here.

You seem different, what's wrong with you?

I'm sure you're joking, but IRL has got me grumpy. My goal nonetheless this game is to try to be as reasonably civil as in last game.

I'm sure you're joking, but IRL has got me grumpy. My goal nonetheless this game is to try to be as reasonably civil as in last game.

Thank you for being open. How is being on tilt affecting your ability to make up reads?

I don't think my abilities will be impacted, just want to yell at someone

I can. A judge has to weigh both sides of an argument. I want to judge as accurately as possible.

Some of Bunny's posts can be excused as satire. Some look suspiciously fake.

When did you decide to start scum reading bunny, sweet?

From the post I quoted when I voted them.

Oh also Jamie is town this game

Town so far
Ghug
jamie
Sweet
Frog
Hamilton

When did you decide to start town reading Sweet and I?

From the post I quoted when I voted them.

Is it possible that you decided to start scum reading them any earlier than that?

No.

To be clear, I like the GT bit.

These interactions seem to be in the range of scum distancing, and sweetandcool's short responses to Frogsterking are consistent with not being concerned about Frogsterking's suspicion.

[damo666]

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

WTF, you are hard scumming me, and voting with me? So you think it is a bus?

Okay, clearly you are either scum or sheeping so hard the wool is totally over your eyes. I don't care if you haven't made sheeping indicative comments, you clearly are just refraining from making them.

Maybe sweet was bussing Bunny?

[bozotheclown]

I am trying to avoid leaning on meta too much, but Frog does not seem to be playing materially different from last game. Is there any post in particular that seems fake?

Well honestly it’s just a vibe I got after seeing someone else point it out, but the “Give me reads on 5 players” was really sus.

This makes me think that Frog was trying to get Chaqa to say someone was mafia-leaning to make Chaqa an outsider to that person. Bonus points if more than one!

Usually I really hate this kind of arbitrary speculation from others but I actually think I could be right about this.

Okay but to be fair, Frog did similar posts last game, did he not?

He does seem slightly different this game, not necessarily in a bad way. I have him as null.

Here sweetandcool subtly defends Frogsterking in a way that does not seem like pocketing.

[bozotheclown]

Wow, I thought Will's play last game was good and I'm liking it this game too.

Just a Will Named Town.

This I think is pocketing.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Wow, I thought Will's play last game was good and I'm liking it this game too.

Just a Will Named Town.

This I think is pocketing.

This was not my scumtell btw.

[damo666]

Then brainbomb comes out and scums Will, paired with either sweetandcool or Chaqa. brainbomb's attack really makes no sense to me, but it is very brainbomb-esque. Not going to get distracted with that yet.

But Will is pretty meh until he posts a readslist where he finally mentions me and I'm not sure whether that list scums me, towns me, or neither.

But then his next post is confidently declaring me scum, and it absolutely comes out of nowhere (last post of Page 24). It's important to note that this comes after brainbomb mentions me as a scumcandidate and ghug confidently declares me scum based on vibes.

This and his latest behaviour leads me to believe either:

1. Will is scum.
2. Will was sheeping hard and just won't admit it. But usually him sheeping is very clear.
3. This was a reaction test which I apparently failed because he is scumming me harder. Also probably partially (2) as well.

This reads well or Will

[Frogsterking]

Hard scumread on sweet, but no one else seems to think so.

##VOTE BUNNY

Not necessarily one big reason, more like a compounding of little reasons.

WTF, you are hard scumming me, and voting with me? So you think it is a bus?

Okay, clearly you are either scum or sheeping so hard the wool is totally over your eyes. I don't care if you haven't made sheeping indicative comments, you clearly are just refraining from making them.

Maybe sweet was bussing Bunny?

Nice

[Frogsterking]

Well honestly it’s just a vibe I got after seeing someone else point it out, but the “Give me reads on 5 players” was really sus.

This makes me think that Frog was trying to get Chaqa to say someone was mafia-leaning to make Chaqa an outsider to that person. Bonus points if more than one!

Usually I really hate this kind of arbitrary speculation from others but I actually think I could be right about this.

Okay but to be fair, Frog did similar posts last game, did he not?

He does seem slightly different this game, not necessarily in a bad way. I have him as null.

Here sweetandcool subtly defends Frogsterking in a way that does not seem like pocketing.

Bozo all of this ad hoc stuff is redundant, we should go over the things you posted immediately after chaqa flipped because you made a few concrete mistakes while you were tinfoiling my slot.

[damo666]

I wanted to look at brain, ghug, and even Frog, but I don't have time other than maybe too close to EoD. Gotta take my kids to the playground.

I'm happy enough though because I think Bunny or Will are both really good votes for today.

This points to Frog as our man (or me but then I wouldn't repost it would I)

[bozotheclown]

You've voted Sweet in your past few games with them and you've been correct every time?

One time we were teammates, but I think it's 2 for 2 outside of that?

So we have two different players in this game with a proven track record on reading sweet--ghug and will--claiming that sweet is polarized and that they are in their scum meta?

Did you find them on D1 or was it later in the game?

That changes things a fair bit for me.

That changes things a fair bit for me.

hows that?

I'm preflipping sweet as scum and it's giving me new stuff to work with.

sweetandcool never commented on these posts from Frogsterking.

[bozotheclown]

Wow, I thought Will's play last game was good and I'm liking it this game too.

Just a Will Named Town.

This I think is pocketing.

This was not my scumtell btw.

What was it?

[damo666]

I don't understand why the wagons are how they are. Bunny and Will seem like extremely good candidates. Why are people being hung up on others? Like I understand some of the paranoia, but it seems pretty clear who we should be voting for here.

Another nail in Frog's coffin?

[Frogsterking]

I'm very annoyed right now.

[Frogsterking]

I'm very annoyed right now.

[bozotheclown]

Okay but to be fair, Frog did similar posts last game, did he not?

He does seem slightly different this game, not necessarily in a bad way. I have him as null.

Here sweetandcool subtly defends Frogsterking in a way that does not seem like pocketing.

Bozo all of this ad hoc stuff is redundant, we should go over the things you posted immediately after chaqa flipped because you made a few concrete mistakes while you were tinfoiling my slot.

OK, what is your response to this:

N5, Frogsterking brought up my suspecting BunnyGo because of Hamilton's D2 EOD vote:

D2 EOD Hamilton volunteered to get flipped first. This could have been an attempt to sound like town, but in the last minute of D2, he changed his vote from BunnyGo to Frogsterking, and it was only 3 seconds after foodcoats voted for Hamilton to break the tie between Hamilton and BunnyGo, and only 9 seconds after BunnyGo voted for Hamilton:









Hamilton likely did not know what the exact vote was, but he would have know changing his vote from BunnyGo to Frogsterking would make it more likely he would get DKed over BunnyGo, which does not make any sense unless BunnyGo is mafia.

Also, the mafia had to be concerned about the PRs, and Hamilton not only let himself get DKed but voted to make it happen without making a PR claim to try to force a CC. sweetandcool also missed an opportunity to claim a PR D1 when BunnyGo was his counter wagon.

##VOTE BunnyGo

This was the post I was looking for

However, D3, when Frogsterking was pushing for a mis-kill of me, he commented on what I was saying about it, dismissing it as me "trying to manufacture a scum read on BunnyGo":

Not particularly likely, but neither was Hamilton voting to get himself DKed. Frogsterking had no votes and Hamilton voted with 48 second left in D2. Even if Hamilton did not know the vote count, he was told what the wagons were, so why would he think there was a better chance of Frogsterking being the DK than BunnyGo?

Frame job, not paying attention, spite vote or hoping for a flash wagon. I take it you are trying to manufacture a scum read on BunnyGo now?

Using what I posted D3 to scum read me D3, then trying to use the same post to keep me suspecting BunnyGo N5, seems scum indicative.

[damo666]

##vote Ham

that post was bizarre

if sweet only has my vote by the end of the day, I will switch to Ham.

Townpoints for Will

[bozotheclown]

I am leaning this way currently:

I would definitely flip today: Bunny Will Chaqa Damo

I could flip today: Brain Ghug Frogster Darg

I would NOT flip today: bozo food

I think we get much more info out of the Bunny slot but I’ll go to Frog if it picks up steam and Bunny doesn’t.

##Vote Frog

Hamilton narrowing in on Frogsterking while being DKed is odd, but makes sense as an attempt to distance.

[damo666]

I need to go for a run so I need to vote now. I kind of sheep brain to the point that I'd vote along one of his lines even if he didn't stick with it.

##Vote Bunny

Plus sweet is on that wagon and I kind of vibe sweet too.

This looks good for Bunny

[bozotheclown]

Gonna grace us with your opinion froggy?

Yeah, I think we can tell that scum are being town read somewhat due to the low consensus. It feels like today is a day we take a pot shot on a null slot.

##vote chaqa

As good as Frogsterking's D1 voting looks, his only D2 vote looks bad because there was a 3 way tie including Hamilton, and Frogsterking voted of the wagons with 3 minutes left in D2.

[bozotheclown]

I need to go for a run so I need to vote now. I kind of sheep brain to the point that I'd vote along one of his lines even if he didn't stick with it.

##Vote Bunny

Plus sweet is on that wagon and I kind of vibe sweet too.

This looks good for Bunny

I agree.