Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[Nephthys]

I may vaguely be around for the next hour but then going to bed, will try to check tomorrow morning but have a 15hr shift so unsure almost certain I wont around EoN

Please @@me with flaws/questions so that I can skim it tomorrow if I don't have time

[bozotheclown]

That was a good play by sweetandcool to get foodcoats DKed, but his flip has resolved some things:
1. foodcoats being the ECO confirms Jamie as mafia. Jamie reporting ECO as a result makes it almost certain he is the Police Commissioner and reported a real result.
2. foodcoats being the ECO confirms sweetandcool is mafia from my perspective, probably the Corrupt Cop who initially tried to hide in the delivered/undelivered group then switched to the town/mafia group when he realized foodcoats was the ECO and roleblocked.
3. Jamie being mafia confirms that Diplomacy&Warfare is the Middle Manager, and Diplomacy&Warfare's report confirms Bob targeted foodcoats and roleblocked him, making Bob the Sicko or Curfew Enforcer.
4. foodcoats being the ECO confirms lfischl is the doctor.
5. The vote count being correct confirms BK3K did target Bob and is the Lobbyist.

I know damo is the Paper Delivery Boy, heart is the Internal Affairs, and worcej is town. Kakarroto is the only one who fit as News Host, and Chaqa is now confirmed as the Door-Darter.

The roleblocks indicate that Frogsterking and Bob are the Sicko and Curfew Enforcer in either order.

That leaves brainbomb, Nephthys, worcej, and Hamilton for Mail Man, Ruber Driver, Corrupt Cop, and DaDa Driver, but I know worcej is town, so he must be the Mail Man, making brainbomb the E-Mail Hacker. Nephthys report of a player ID is consistent with Ruber Driver and DaDa Driver, but Hamilton’s claim is not, making Nephthys the Ruber Driver and Hamilton the DaDa Driver with a fake claim report.

So, unless I made a mistake, the only ambiguity left for me is which one of Frogsterking and Bob is the Sicko and which one is the Curfew Enforcer. Although Bob not claiming does look suspicious, it appears the rest of the mafia followed the list, so I think Frogsterking is probably the Sicko.

That leaves this:
babyspice: Polster
BK3K: Lobbyist
Bob: Curfew Enforcer (possibly Sicko)
bozo: Detective
brainbomb: E-Mail Hacker
Chaqa: Door-Darter
damo: Paper Delivery Boy
Diplomacy&Warfare: Middle Manager
Frogsterking: Sicko (possibly Curfew Enforcer)
Hamilton: DaDa Driver
heart: Internal Affairs
Jamie: Police Commissioner
Kakarroto: News Host
Lfischl: Doctor
Nephthys: Ruber Driver
sweetandcool: Corrupt Cop
worcej: Mail Man

This means the mafia team is brainbomb, Hamilton, Jamie, sweetandcool, and one of Frogsterking and Bob.

Thanks lol

Babyspice CANNOT by the pollster as Fisch targetted BK3K the day before but the scan returned will

No, lfischl targeted brainbomb. babyspice is confirmed as the Polster.

[bozotheclown]

I'm inclined to believe bozo is scum as well given the babyspice oversight
Thats pretty basic level considering the level of thought that he normally puts into this

You are the one making an oversight, but you are confirmed town to me.

actually mine got changed, I put brainbomb in earlier in the phase as I wasn't going to follow the system and then flipped with about an hour left to hamilton brian but the GMs did not see it so I returned failure for brain

[Nephthys]

It doesn’t matter who fish targeted, all that matters is that his doc save failed.y baby point stands

[bozotheclown]

These two posts of Bozo's don't make sense.

If he received a role message, why is he even considering that he could have been the target of the food delivery?

Because I targeted Bozo so he had to consider if was Door Darter, the absence of a food message means i wasnt Darter.

HOWEVER the use of the verb 'assume' is mega important. No assumption is required as my target has their role revealed to them.

Looks like Bozo suckered me in and is caught.

Apologies to sweet.

The reason I said that is because I misinterpreted the Door Darter role PM when I read it, I thought it was meant as an almost direct equivalent to the Paper Delivery Boy except it provided a fake role PM instead of the players real role PM, because I read "addtional PM" and an addition role PM, and I thought the part about the food might have been irrelevant, like the part about the "newspaper subscription" in the Paper Delivery Boy role PM. So, when I said I assumed I was the Detective, I thought there might have been a possibility that I received a fake role PM because you were the Door Darter.

I think it should now be obvious that sweetandcool was fake claiming a result as mafia and switched his claim when his fake claim implicated him.

[Nephthys]

Sweet you’re here, what are your thoughts

[bozotheclown]

It doesn’t matter who fish targeted, all that matters is that his doc save failed.y baby point stands

I am not sure what you mean by that, because babyspice is confirmed as the Polster.

[Nephthys]

It doesn’t matter who fish targeted, all that matters is that his doc save failed.y baby point stands

I am not sure what you mean by that, because babyspice is confirmed as the Polster.

Walk me through it like I’m stupid

[bozotheclown]

It doesn’t matter who fish targeted, all that matters is that his doc save failed.y baby point stands

OK, sorry, you are correct, I should have said that lfischl did vote for Just D1.

Preliminary final vote count. Please PM me for any issues.

JustAGuyNamedWill (7) Diplomacy&Warfare, foodcoats, bozotheclown, Hamilton Brian, brainbomb, babyspice666, lfischl
BK3K (5) Frogsterking, BobMcBob, Kakarroto, JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (2) damo666, BunnyGo
lfischl (3) Chaqa, heartthrob24909, Jamiet99uk
Kakarroto (1) Nephthys
Diplomacy&Warfare (1) BK3K
Frogsterking (1) sweetandcool
Chaqa (1) worcej


I have elected to include Jamie is Fisch's last votes as they were before the Hold message.

[bozotheclown]

It doesn’t matter who fish targeted, all that matters is that his doc save failed.y baby point stands

I am not sure what you mean by that, because babyspice is confirmed as the Polster.

Walk me through it like I’m stupid

See previous post, I provided the incorrect information.

[Nephthys]

Aaaah dammit, the bot screwed me over. Any other gaps in the logic?

[Nephthys]

Aaaah dammit, the bot screwed me over. Any other gaps in the logic?

So it’s between me/brain baby for the last slot. Likely brain?

[bozotheclown]

Aaaah dammit, the bot screwed me over. Any other gaps in the logic?

I am not sure, but your assumption about babyspice not being the Polster affects a number of things. I am working with different information than you, and I think more information since I know I am the Detective, and from my perspective I am fairly certain babyspice must be the Polster.

[bozotheclown]

Aaaah dammit, the bot screwed me over. Any other gaps in the logic?

So it’s between me/brain baby for the last slot. Likely brain?

The last slot for what?

[Nephthys]

Aaaah dammit, the bot screwed me over. Any other gaps in the logic?

I am not sure, but your assumption about babyspice not being the Polster affects a number of things. I am working with different information than you, and I think more information since I know I am the Detective, and from my perspective I am fairly certain babyspice must be the Polster.

It’s a silo, it only affects my read of the three of us, it has no other direct influence. You’re being very vague for someone who is normally so detailed

[bozotheclown]

Aaaah dammit, the bot screwed me over. Any other gaps in the logic?

I am not sure, but your assumption about babyspice not being the Polster affects a number of things. I am working with different information than you, and I think more information since I know I am the Detective, and from my perspective I am fairly certain babyspice must be the Polster.

It’s a silo, it only affects my read of the three of us, it has no other direct influence. You’re being very vague for someone who is normally so detailed

I went through how I reached my conclusions in the post you responded to. Your solution contains a number of inaccuracies with the information I have, but maybe not from the information you have.

[Nephthys]

I am not sure, but your assumption about babyspice not being the Polster affects a number of things. I am working with different information than you, and I think more information since I know I am the Detective, and from my perspective I am fairly certain babyspice must be the Polster.

It’s a silo, it only affects my read of the three of us, it has no other direct influence. You’re being very vague for someone who is normally so detailed

I went through how I reached my conclusions in the post you responded to. Your solution contains a number of inaccuracies with the information I have, but maybe not from the information you have.

Then share it if you draw a NK it outs sweet and if not it helps us to clear you

Unless you’re scum

[bozotheclown]

Short hand of my logic

Chaqa/Food/Fisch all failed - Doctor/Sicko/CE
Jamie likely RB food, Frog likely RB Chaqa -> one is mafia
If Jamie roleblocked food, then Bob MUST be Middle manager
Given there are no other claims for a role return Dip must be CC OR Mailman and CC lied (This may be Jamie and he is Sicko)
Given Fisch also failed, this makes them likely the doctor

Either Worcej OR Bk3K must be NH (Success followed by Success)
As Bob is middle manager, thus returned ECO. Worcej is NH
Bob must have received ECO as his reveal for Jamie/Dip to both receive this
Bob and Dip are either MM/MM/EH

If the above statement by bob is correct then Chaqa/Damo are both town

Either sweet or Bozo is mafia

The Lobbyist targetted either BoB/Heart or Baby AND returned success
BK3K must be the lobbyist

Hearthrob is IA

For the claims to add up, the mail man MUST have recevied success
Therefore Dip is the email hacker
Kak targetted Frog who received success
Hamilton visited Damo who got delivered
Therefore Kak is mailman and Hamilton is scum

Brain is the pollster
Baby cannot be either dada driver OR ruber driver
In lieu of further claims, Neph must be the ruber driver

First, how do you explain Jamie reporting foodcoats exact role and reporting it if he is the mafia role blocker? I think Jamie has to be the Police Commissioner.

[Nephthys]

Could be true if another lying mafia RBed food

[Nephthys]

I agree it’s dicier logic now but I’ll leave it to others to pick through
Brain is a possibility