MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

Nice one guys. When was the last time both the top two wagons were scum D1 anyway?

What do you think Just being mafia indicates about Bonatogether's alignment?

[BunnyGo]

More seriously, the only unknown alignments in the remaining votes are Bozo and damo. Will picked Macca over sweet, and then a bunch of dead townies and bozo voted for the other two to make it a three day race, and then Will switched to sweet once sweet had taken the lead.

Are you at a computer where you can tell me this story in colored vote status format?

I am always on my phone, but I find the bot pretty useful for these things.

Yeah…but I want a story. With a clear progression of action and colors and heroes and villains.

Someone should tell me a story while I put my kids to bed.

@bozo? @heart? @bueller?

[Temasek22]

Nice one guys. When was the last time both the top two wagons were scum D1 anyway?

What do you think Just being mafia indicates about Bonatogether's alignment?

I was gonna say it puts him in a good light but Just seemed to be intentionally distancing from Bona right before getting vig shot so I'm not so sure anymore

[BunnyGo]

Nice one guys. When was the last time both the top two wagons were scum D1 anyway?

What do you think Just being mafia indicates about Bonatogether's alignment?

I was gonna say it puts him in a good light but Just seemed to be intentionally distancing from Bona right before getting vig shot so I'm not so sure anymore

Yay! Tem is here to tell me a story!

Tell me a story, Tem!

With colors and vote counts and interesting changes in plot!

The story…of D1!

[Bonatogether]

What do you think Just being mafia indicates about Bonatogether's alignment?

I was gonna say it puts him in a good light but Just seemed to be intentionally distancing from Bona right before getting vig shot so I'm not so sure anymore

Yay! Tem is here to tell me a story!

Tell me a story, Tem!

With colors and vote counts and interesting changes in plot!

The story…of D1!

why are you incapable of making your own analysis

[BunnyGo]

I was gonna say it puts him in a good light but Just seemed to be intentionally distancing from Bona right before getting vig shot so I'm not so sure anymore

Yay! Tem is here to tell me a story!

Tell me a story, Tem!

With colors and vote counts and interesting changes in plot!

The story…of D1!

why are you incapable of making your own analysis

I’ve made my analysis. I want a story!

With colors!

And I’m out doing grocery shopping and then doing kids bedtimes. So…can’t tell you a story.

[Bonatogether]

Yay! Tem is here to tell me a story!

Tell me a story, Tem!

With colors and vote counts and interesting changes in plot!

The story…of D1!

why are you incapable of making your own analysis

I’ve made my analysis. I want a story!

With colors!

And I’m out doing grocery shopping and then doing kids bedtimes. So…can’t tell you a story.

i'm not demanding, like you, that it is immediate. I am asking if you are able to produce it, and you have replied that you feel what you have done is sufficient.

to refuse to do what you want yourself is simply unhelpful

[heartthrob24909]

Are you at a computer where you can tell me this story in colored vote status format?

I am always on my phone, but I find the bot pretty useful for these things.

Yeah…but I want a story. With a clear progression of action and colors and heroes and villains.

Someone should tell me a story while I put my kids to bed.

@bozo? @heart? @bueller?

Color coding by heartthrob

Text adapted from Bona. Opinions expressed are not my own. RT =/= endorsement

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the first major wagon is NDtogether, with ghug, ND, and jamie. ghug is a hater, so nothing really to read into that. ND self-voted for unknown reasons, and jamie followed that up because apparently seriously self-voting early in d1 is like wacky. this wagon technically dissipates when ND subs out, but i feel like it's important to note that from my understanding of the thread, people were not big fans of ND. I don't think anyone scumread him per se at this point, but he's not one of the bubbly and friendly personalities that we know and love around here.

no kill gets 3 votes but it's irrelevant and just people babooning so idc. no one on this (temask, worcej, ND) meant to stay here, or was indeed actively subbing out.

i sub in, and immediately pick up 3 votes. only one of these is from the ND wagon, which suggests that, given the unseriousness of the wagon on ND, the votes were largely focused on myself. the votes are, in order, from sweet (who claims that his scumread of ND is the driving factor, despite never voting for him and only a mild setup), ghug (i believe an unserious vote), and macca (who claims to scumread ND on first read, but i'm now in that slot).

macca picked up two votes for her vote almost immediately from damo and from heartthrob for her justification of her vote on me. i believe at least heartthrob has changed his mind on this but at the time, this is what happened. macca drops her vote from me, supposedly in response to me appealing to famous former mafia player bob, but the timing on this looks like it's a response to vote pressure. she also changes her vote several times to unvote and then to no-kill. this sequence is important because it sets the ball rolling for macca's wagon, which temasak jumps on to make it major. jamie also expresses interest in the wagon at this point. macca never reappears after this until n1

chaqa votes for me initially as a #swingthesubs, but this read apparently later solidified. unclear when or why.

sweet and i argue for a while, because i disliked his explanation of voting for ND and not me, when it would seem that we're the same. some people disagreed with me on this but i am town and he was scum so i won.

temasek, worcej, and ghug all notice sweet's argument and take issue with different parts. temasek later votes macca (he is the only sweet voter to change votes), but ghug and worcej stay on until the end.

i briefly drop off from being a major wagon but return when will has this post, which is kind of crazy:
apparently not LOL. i do not understand this guy.

i think EoD really begins at T-0:45, when the vote is 3 macca/3 will/3 sweet/2 bona/5 votes either not placed or on minor wagons
macca voters: temasek, damo, heartthrob. these 3 either don't move, aren't active, or only flip when it's too late to change the outcome. zero momentum wagon.
will voters: bunny, rdr, sweet. primarily the anti-sweet counterwagon.
sweet voters: worcej, ghug, bona. all voting for sweet in response to sweet's voting justification footwork with me and ND. none of these votes move, despite being around relatively close to EoD.
bona voters: chaqa (inactive) and will (late to the party on voting me). this former lead wagon is in the final stages of disintegration.

by T-0:26, the vote is 4 macca/4 will/4 sweet/3 vanity wagons
macca voters: same plus will in desperate self-saving mode. this zombie wagon lumbers on
will voters: same plus ham. remains the 'not sweet' wagon.
sweet voters: same plus spirit. this is the only vote placed in between now and the previous interval that had a definite 'i scumread this person', which looks good for spirit. editors note: lol he died. this might be why.

bozo and jamie get off vanity wagons for sweet. bozo has only engaged with sweet once before in the whole day (admittedly not a high poster), and says his reason is not very strong. however he never moves his vote even as sweet becomes a giant wagon. jamie is also not a big sweet fan in his vote, and also, like bozo never really engages sweet throughout the day in any determinative manner

two macca voters also flip onto sweet but their votes weren't relevant (will and damo) so they don't count.

i think because sweet was trying to make it him vs will, will looks tentatively better. i'm not sure who else he could have chosen though - macca's wagon was effectively dead, as was mine. the only other wagon with momentum in the final minutes before eod was will, partially because will was doing his whole freakout routine. sweet was also trying to attack will directly for that, quoting a post where will plans out possibilities for sweet getting flipped and how he dies. i think on balance this makes will look somewhat worse, but in a meta planning way. i'm unfamiliar with how he plays so idrk.

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Stopping here bc I need to look at this with the colors so I can form some thoughts

[Temasek22]

What do you think Just being mafia indicates about Bonatogether's alignment?

I was gonna say it puts him in a good light but Just seemed to be intentionally distancing from Bona right before getting vig shot so I'm not so sure anymore

Yay! Tem is here to tell me a story!

Tell me a story, Tem!

With colors and vote counts and interesting changes in plot!

The story…of D1!

Sadly not a good storyteller. If anyone remembers him Hosuke was a great storyteller though, he seemed to have an unlimited amount of tales from primary school and middle school when we were classmates and roommates

[heartthrob24909]

I am always on my phone, but I find the bot pretty useful for these things.

Yeah…but I want a story. With a clear progression of action and colors and heroes and villains.

Someone should tell me a story while I put my kids to bed.

@bozo? @heart? @bueller?

Color coding by heartthrob

Text adapted from Bona. Opinions expressed are not my own. RT =/= endorsement

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[Color-coded analysis omitted from quote for conciseness]

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Stopping here bc I need to look at this with the colors so I can form some thoughts

What stuck out to me upon reread. Quotes in black, my thoughts in green:
- macca voters: temasek, damo, heartthrob. these 3 either don't move, aren't active, or only flip when it's too late to change the outcome. zero momentum wagon. The other 2 leading wagons both being scum should potentially bring these names into further scrutiny. I'm aware that I am unfortunately on this list
- by T-0:26, the vote is 4 macca/4 will/4 sweet/3 vanity wagons
macca voters: same plus will in desperate self-saving mode. this zombie wagon lumbers on. This reflects favorably on Macca imo
- bozo and jamie get off vanity wagons for sweet. bozo has only engaged with sweet once before in the whole day (admittedly not a high poster), and says his reason is not very strong. however he never moves his vote even as sweet becomes a giant wagon. The vote that initially reflected positively on bozo in the moment (since we didnt know it was SvS) is I think a little less favorable now as we could be looking at a scenario where bozo is just choosing which teammate to sacrifice.

[heartthrob24909]

Bona, thanks for providing that Day 1 vote walkthrough back on Day 2. It's very helpful to have

[heartthrob24909]

Re: the Day 1 vote "story" - I also want to point out that even though Bona is at his least objective when describing the votes cast against him, often questioning the voter's credibility, I personally am not intending to read into this. From what I'm picking up this sounds like it's consistent with his personality whether he were mafia or town.

[heartthrob24909]

Going to read back through bozo and damo, I think.

@BunnyGo, I hope you like the story. Spoiler: some of the characters die

[BunnyGo]

Going to read back through bozo and damo, I think.

@BunnyGo, I hope you like the story. Spoiler: some of the characters die

That was nice. Thanks. I thought you might tell one.

I’ll tell mine later.

[Bonatogether]

i'm getting plagiarized

[BunnyGo]

i'm getting plagiarized

Yeah. I was surprised heart did that. I was expecting his own words.

[BunnyGo]

i'm getting plagiarized

He did cite you at least…

[rdrivera2005]

Great job Vig.

I think that flip makes Bona more likely to be scum, but we will resolve this sooner or later.

Damo is up in my townreads.

I have still some doubts about Bozo, but it's not for today.

Vig should probably shoot Chaqa tomorrow or at EON.

##vote Tem

[BunnyGo]

Great job Vig.

I think that flip makes Bona more likely to be scum, but we will resolve this sooner or later.

Damo is up in my townreads.

I have still some doubts about Bozo, but it's not for today.

Vig should probably shoot Chaqa tomorrow or at EON.

##vote Tem

I was completely with you until the Tem vote. Why Tem?

[heartthrob24909]

i'm getting plagiarized

Yeah. I was surprised heart did that. I was expecting his own words.

You were screaming into the void wanting to be told a story... I thought I had minutes to act