MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[heartthrob24909]

@Just, what do you think of my vig idea? and the maths behind it? You cool with it?

@worcej and others feel free to weigh in too.

Hold up, with twelve alive, your plan gets us to 6 after two day/night cycles, which is a loss if we don't hit anyone, whereas we have three days with no shots. Four town kills is still better than three, so we should be killing.

If we use one vig shot, worst case is 4v3 at that same point with three town kills, which gets us to 3v3 if we miskill, and then 2v2, which is still a loss if we shoot correctly, so there's no point in holding, but it is worth noting we can lose in two days.

Did I math wrong?

9-3 now
vig shot
8-3
town vote
7-3
scum kill
6-3
vig shot
5-3
town vote
4-3
scum kill
3-3

oh...I did maths wrong

Hmm...doc save either of those nights helps us again.

But I agree with you...vig should be shooting either way. We need more chances. I wish they'd shot at EOD yesterday and cleared up VCA for us a bit.

I thought BunnyGo might be vig asking us for permission to use his shot until this post.

[Chaqa]

Oh great Bozo!

Please explain what the fuck just happened with Bona. Too many people are saying things are obvious, but I just saw 3 pages of WORDS, and I'm confused.

Do we have to neck him now?

I think if I understand it right, Jamie saw Bona visit someone, and now Bona claims doctor

[Temasek22]

It's painful to say this, but Bona isn't the kill today. We don't kill uncced PR claims if there is a chance the claim is true, even if small. And it will resolve one way orc another.

I think Vig shooting today is a good idea, either the lead wagon at 24h mark or a Vig choice. Another shoot at EON is good only if the first hit Mafia. If not we need to give time to real doc CC tomorrow and Vig solve the problem.

##vote Chaqa - How it's a town reaction to this ask for Vig to shoot Bona?

Tem also believed Bona's claim too easily, I can't see any town not being at least a bit suspicious of Bona's claim.

I'm not entirely unsuspicious but this guy was a fairly strong townread earlier on in the game for me and he is yet to be CCed. Jamie's EoN speech is a very valid reason to doubt him, but we are yet to know what he actually watched.

Meant to say we will never know what he actually saw

[heartthrob24909]

heart was here and disappeared it seems...

Come back heart! There's drama!

Doing my best to do what looks like a LOT of catch-up rn

[Temasek22]

Hold up, with twelve alive, your plan gets us to 6 after two day/night cycles, which is a loss if we don't hit anyone, whereas we have three days with no shots. Four town kills is still better than three, so we should be killing.

If we use one vig shot, worst case is 4v3 at that same point with three town kills, which gets us to 3v3 if we miskill, and then 2v2, which is still a loss if we shoot correctly, so there's no point in holding, but it is worth noting we can lose in two days.

Did I math wrong?

9-3 now
vig shot
8-3
town vote
7-3
scum kill
6-3
vig shot
5-3
town vote
4-3
scum kill
3-3

oh...I did maths wrong

Hmm...doc save either of those nights helps us again.

But I agree with you...vig should be shooting either way. We need more chances. I wish they'd shot at EOD yesterday and cleared up VCA for us a bit.

I thought BunnyGo might be vig asking us for permission to use his shot until this post.

Same here lmao

[heartthrob24909]

Just, heart, Macca? You all show as online.

Just has been posting here.

C'mon people! Play with me! I'm feeling stoked we got something going, and we got some mechs to decide as a group, and I think it's important you three weigh in!

Without having read much further than this post I agree that vig should do something. I'd forgotten that town even had power roles until Jamie was revealed as one. I think town has enough padding right now to use vig at least once before its too late. Dont want vig to be another NK like Jamie was.

The crumbing has been a really interesting conversation. I didn't realize that that was a thing people did. I agree it looks like he is pointing fingers at Bona but I sped through the Bona = doctor discussion to try and catch up so I'll need to reread bc that confused me a lot.

[heartthrob24909]

I just don’t know why the hell Bona revealed so early? A very weird move, and I have some thoughts on it. My red flags keep going off for multiple reasons: Did he not think to wait until he actually became a potential target in the later stages of the game? Outwardly, this just feels like an extremely intentionally sub-optimal play. Currently, I think Bona errantly believed he was certainly going to die, and as mafia, decided to pull a Hail Mary and see what happens

As I said I need to reread this whole saga but I think I agree with this

[BunnyGo]

heart was here and disappeared it seems...

Come back heart! There's drama!

Doing my best to do what looks like a LOT of catch-up rn

I appreciate that you only started posting and catching up once you were in the office...classy.

[heartthrob24909]

I will abstain from voting because when someone claims a power role, things get interesting later down the line.

Can you expand on this thought process?

I can’t really. I have no clue what might go on later in the day, so I will hold until I see something that might sway my notion that Bona is lying

This, though, I don't love. You can always change your vote.

[Temasek22]

Sif Jamie had watched anyone but Sweet and seen Bona visit he would have considered doc and not advocated a kill. So he must have watched Sweet and seen Bona visit but have the slight concern Bona was roleblocked doc.

So, Bona is either scum or Roleblocked doc who is lying about N1 visit. But why like?

Bona is probably scum who planned to claim doc and use the N1 claim to explain N3 survival.

However as Bona remains unCCd (real doc do NOT claim) there is no point killing him yet but either vote or vig since if he is doc he won't survive 2 nights.

Vig (Will) should kill their best guess and then we reassess after the reveal . The vote should not influence the kill ( or kill off top wagon).

Removing rdr from my scumpool.

##vote heart

wtf is wrong with you this game?

What do you mean? Scum can read. Will all but outed himself. (Except I'm the vig). (Not).

##unvote getting off Just's wagon

[Chaqa]

Heart never posted...

Macca gone, but at least said "hi".

@ghug, I'm thinking you're right we won't get the vig to do it.

Vig can still shoot someone widely suspected midway through the day.

I just want folks to stake out positions on Bona quickly so this day doesn't drag.

[heartthrob24909]

Depends if we hit a mafia. If we don’t, we probably should try again

Shouldn’t*

Do you agree that we should ask the vig (without them claiming) to shoot whoever is leading with exactly 24 hours to go in the day? Do you think the vig should do this?

What's the draw of something like this vs just letting the vig do whatever they want? Without having played with the vig before I assumed part of its allure as a role is to give some agency to the individual. I think in general I don't love making this plan and then actually sticking to it. Vig's unpredictability feels like its advantage

[Chaqa]

@Bozopedia: has Jamie ever crumbed or does he often crumb?

I feel like you all are over-reading that post

Jamie typically crumbs when he is a PR, but I think he is usually more direct when he has an informative scan. I am not convinced that Jamie did not just suspect Bonatogether was mafia without any N1 scan.

Yeah, this is how I read the post originally.

Bona claiming Doctor is the bit that makes me think Jamie *did* see something, but it's unclear to me what the truth of it all is yet.

[Chaqa]

It's painful to say this, but Bona isn't the kill today. We don't kill uncced PR claims if there is a chance the claim is true, even if small. And it will resolve one way orc another.

I think Vig shooting today is a good idea, either the lead wagon at 24h mark or a Vig choice. Another shoot at EON is good only if the first hit Mafia. If not we need to give time to real doc CC tomorrow and Vig solve the problem.

##vote Chaqa - How it's a town reaction to this ask for Vig to shoot Bona?

Tem also believed Bona's claim too easily, I can't see any town not being at least a bit suspicious of Bona's claim.

I'm 100% sure that isn't true. We do it all the time

[BunnyGo]

Shouldn’t*

Do you agree that we should ask the vig (without them claiming) to shoot whoever is leading with exactly 24 hours to go in the day? Do you think the vig should do this?

What's the draw of something like this vs just letting the vig do whatever they want? Without having played with the vig before I assumed part of its allure as a role is to give some agency to the individual. I think in general I don't love making this plan and then actually sticking to it. Vig's unpredictability feels like its advantage

Few things:

1) Gives PRs a chance to claim if they're leading wagon...vig can't call their shot and ask for last words without outing themselves

2) Gets all the VCA of an extra day

3) I got the impression the vig is too scared to shoot; hence why I was thinking it was you/Just/macca/Tem; this would give them confidence to do what we need

[Chaqa]

OK...if bona is scum, then that means chaqa's "why not both" post was him open chaqa-ing on page 8.

##vote chaqa

I don't even remember what the context was but I like the phrase "open-Chaqaing"

[Chaqa]

I think Sweetie-pie rolled Mafia again.

@damo

So is your theory that the scumteam is Sweet, ND/Bona, and myself?

[Chaqa]

I'm 100% sure Jamie is in the god chat raging that we're missing that he's caught Bona, or he's raging that we're misinterpreting his post as having caught Bona lol

[BunnyGo]

@damo

So is your theory that the scumteam is Sweet, ND/Bona, and myself?

I think you're more likely to be correct about that if that's true.

Bona being scum gives much higher likelihood to you being scum. And nothing you've done this game leads me to move you out of "null".

And since rdr is correct that I can't vote Bona without a CC...

[BunnyGo]

I'm 100% sure Jamie is in the god chat raging that we're missing that he's caught Bona, or he's raging that we're misinterpreting his post as having caught Bona lol

Probably both