MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[Temasek22]

So, question for the audience - what is the *GAME* difference between Tem and Macca?

I feel like both of them are doing not much here and are decent flips.

##vote Macca

I will not be a part of killing Bona or ghug - they are my towncore for being on the sweet thing early like myself.

No one answering much here so I'll bite.

Tem actively townreads Bona and both casted both his D1 votes to people voting for Bona for questionable reasons, Macca wouldn't vote for Bona only due to out of game reasons.

Tem had a vote on sweet on one point before moving off, Macca had never voted for sweet

Tem had 2 votes at most during D1, Macca was at one point the leading wagon with 4.

[BunnyGo]

So, question for the audience - what is the *GAME* difference between Tem and Macca?

I feel like both of them are doing not much here and are decent flips.

##vote Macca

I will not be a part of killing Bona or ghug - they are my towncore for being on the sweet thing early like myself.

No one answering much here so I'll bite.

Tem actively townreads Bona and both casted both his D1 votes to people voting for Bona for questionable reasons, Macca wouldn't vote for Bona only due to out of game reasons.

Tem had a vote on sweet on one point before moving off, Macca had never voted for sweet

Tem had 2 votes at most during D1, Macca was at one point the leading wagon with 4.

If you were scum this game, who would you have advocated for killing N1 and why?

[rdrivera2005]

Willing to explain more?

A bunch of people tried to wagon Macca for very questionable reasons and then she ended up being just as much of a counterwagon as Will.

Macca's D1 voting behaviour was "I found this slot scummy but because my buddy subbed in I'll unvote and vote No Kill instead", was that not even slightly suspect?

Do you believe both Bona and Macca are scum?

[BunnyGo]

A bunch of people tried to wagon Macca for very questionable reasons and then she ended up being just as much of a counterwagon as Will.

Macca's D1 voting behaviour was "I found this slot scummy but because my buddy subbed in I'll unvote and vote No Kill instead", was that not even slightly suspect?

Do you believe both Bona and Macca are scum?

Do you feel like you're playing/feeling differently than normal this game?

I've been surprised by several of your posts.

[Temasek22]

A bunch of people tried to wagon Macca for very questionable reasons and then she ended up being just as much of a counterwagon as Will.

Macca's D1 voting behaviour was "I found this slot scummy but because my buddy subbed in I'll unvote and vote No Kill instead", was that not even slightly suspect?

Do you believe both Bona and Macca are scum?

I believe Bona is town and Macca is likely scum

[Temasek22]

So, question for the audience - what is the *GAME* difference between Tem and Macca?

I feel like both of them are doing not much here and are decent flips.

##vote Macca

I will not be a part of killing Bona or ghug - they are my towncore for being on the sweet thing early like myself.

No one answering much here so I'll bite.

Tem actively townreads Bona and both casted both his D1 votes to people voting for Bona for questionable reasons, Macca wouldn't vote for Bona only due to out of game reasons.

Tem had a vote on sweet on one point before moving off, Macca had never voted for sweet

Tem had 2 votes at most during D1, Macca was at one point the leading wagon with 4.

If you were scum this game, who would you have advocated for killing N1 and why?

From a meta standpoint, you.

You might have forgotten me, but I'm returning from a roughly 2 year hiatus, and you were a newbie who joined 1 game after me. I recall you having multiple eye-catching plays as town. And one time I was scum I recruited you into my team.

Only looking at this game maybe one of the first voters of sweet.

[BunnyGo]

No one answering much here so I'll bite.

Tem actively townreads Bona and both casted both his D1 votes to people voting for Bona for questionable reasons, Macca wouldn't vote for Bona only due to out of game reasons.

Tem had a vote on sweet on one point before moving off, Macca had never voted for sweet

Tem had 2 votes at most during D1, Macca was at one point the leading wagon with 4.

If you were scum this game, who would you have advocated for killing N1 and why?

From a meta standpoint, you.

You might have forgotten me, but I'm returning from a roughly 2 year hiatus, and you were a newbie who joined 1 game after me. I recall you having multiple eye-catching plays as town. And one time I was scum I recruited you into my team.

Only looking at this game maybe one of the first voters of sweet.

I'm amazed you think I played well as town, but I do remember well the Firefly game. I remember I played well enough on mechs as town pilot I made it impossible for me to play as your reaver teammate.

But I also remember you from that game, you hid well for a while.

[BunnyGo]

Hi @Just and @Bona. Thoughts?

[Bonatogether]

Hi @Just and @Bona. Thoughts?

head empty no thoughts

see previous

still orienting myself, but instinctively suspect of ham, will, whatever

my hot take is ghug not setting off the towndar

[ghug]

Willing to explain more?

A bunch of people tried to wagon Macca for very questionable reasons and then she ended up being just as much of a counterwagon as Will.

Macca's D1 voting behaviour was "I found this slot scummy but because my buddy subbed in I'll unvote and vote No Kill instead", was that not even slightly suspect?

That's an incredibly dishonest framing, I don't think what actually happened was scummy, and I don't like the way you spell behavior.

[ghug]

If you were scum this game, who would you have advocated for killing N1 and why?

From a meta standpoint, you.

You might have forgotten me, but I'm returning from a roughly 2 year hiatus, and you were a newbie who joined 1 game after me. I recall you having multiple eye-catching plays as town. And one time I was scum I recruited you into my team.

Only looking at this game maybe one of the first voters of sweet.

I'm amazed you think I played well as town, but I do remember well the Firefly game. I remember I played well enough on mechs as town pilot I made it impossible for me to play as your reaver teammate.

But I also remember you from that game, you hid well for a while.

Were you a leaf on the wind?

[BunnyGo]

From a meta standpoint, you.

You might have forgotten me, but I'm returning from a roughly 2 year hiatus, and you were a newbie who joined 1 game after me. I recall you having multiple eye-catching plays as town. And one time I was scum I recruited you into my team.

Only looking at this game maybe one of the first voters of sweet.

I'm amazed you think I played well as town, but I do remember well the Firefly game. I remember I played well enough on mechs as town pilot I made it impossible for me to play as your reaver teammate.

But I also remember you from that game, you hid well for a while.

Were you a leaf on the wind?

I was. I even saved myself flying…and then died in a reaver attack later not flying perfectly but helping toen in doing so.

Or did you just want to make a movie reference?

[Jamiet99uk]

Ta, ghug.

Macca’s time difference makes things hard.

I know I’m not reading Tem high right now. I don’t want to look like a bandwagoner though.

##vote Jamie

Would you actually present your case on me????

There’s no case. Just the feels and the vibes. Posts you’ve made and votes. But hey…nothing substantial.

Which. Posts. Hamilton. Brian?

Quote. Them. Please.

[damo666]

Hey. Jamie. What's. Up?

[heartthrob24909]

According to my calcs based on certain (undisclosed) assumptions there are far too few triples Tem could be part of so I'm moving my vote.

##vote Chaqa - suspiciously quiet

Avatar Chaqa Wild.png

Earlier today you said you thought Chaqa's inactivity was NAI.

What changed your view?

I was really talking about D1/N1 deliberate lurking in order to simply survive. We're well into day 2 now.

FWIW here is the frequency of poss scumteams

Chaqa, Ham, rdr 11
Bunny 9
heart 3
Tem 2
Macca 2

What do you mean frequency? Not sure I understand where this list / numbers are coming from.

[rdrivera2005]

Macca's D1 voting behaviour was "I found this slot scummy but because my buddy subbed in I'll unvote and vote No Kill instead", was that not even slightly suspect?

Do you believe both Bona and Macca are scum?

I believe Bona is town and Macca is likely scum

So could you explain me why scum Macca is more likely then town Macca to make a sudden change after a aub if the person subbed is town? This is the main reason I am voting you, you jumped on Macca and stayed on it with a reason that doesn't make sense.

It's weird to change vote because you like the people who subbed in? Yes it is. It's scum indicative? No, it's completely NAI to me. And I think town Temasek would approach this differently.

[rdrivera2005]

Macca's D1 voting behaviour was "I found this slot scummy but because my buddy subbed in I'll unvote and vote No Kill instead", was that not even slightly suspect?

Do you believe both Bona and Macca are scum?

Do you feel like you're playing/feeling differently than normal this game?

I've been surprised by several of your posts.

No, I don't think I am playing differently, at least from my last games.

What is surprising you?

[rdrivera2005]

Avatar Chaqa Wild.png

Earlier today you said you thought Chaqa's inactivity was NAI.

What changed your view?

I was really talking about D1/N1 deliberate lurking in order to simply survive. We're well into day 2 now.

FWIW here is the frequency of poss scumteams

Chaqa, Ham, rdr 11
Bunny 9
heart 3
Tem 2
Macca 2

What do you mean frequency? Not sure I understand where this list / numbers are coming from.

Nobody understands Damo's math. Not even him.

[Hamilton Brian]

Would you actually present your case on me????

There’s no case. Just the feels and the vibes. Posts you’ve made and votes. But hey…nothing substantial.

Which. Posts. Hamilton. Brian?

Quote. Them. Please.

##Vote Hamilton Brian

He's around.
He hasn't voted.
He's blending.
He's lurking.

Come out, Miss Fishburne!

But seriously ##Vote No-Kill as a placeholder while I reconsider.

Nobody went for my Temasek wagon. But let the record show that I wanted a Temasek wagon D1*.

* I would say this as scum if Temasek was my partner(1).

(1) Or would I?

[Temasek22]

Do you believe both Bona and Macca are scum?

I believe Bona is town and Macca is likely scum

So could you explain me why scum Macca is more likely then town Macca to make a sudden change after a aub if the person subbed is town? This is the main reason I am voting you, you jumped on Macca and stayed on it with a reason that doesn't make sense.

It's weird to change vote because you like the people who subbed in? Yes it is. It's scum indicative? No, it's completely NAI to me. And I think town Temasek would approach this differently.

Not much happens D1, something "weird" is enough to cause a vote to be placed.

The way I see it, ND/Bona is an easy target to jump on/miskill due to ND's somewhat hostile (but NAI) opening posts and the substitution that causes chaos. So I paid close attention to those who voted Bona to see the reasons they voted for him. sweet caught my attention, and so did Macca. Those were the only 2 people I voted for on D1 at any point.

At one point, my logic was that scum Macca thought ND/Bona is an easy target to miskill D1, but then felt bad because of her out of game relation with Bona, and therefore voted no kill instead.

Later on I realised this was probably NAI, and responded to I think either Jamie or bozo who questioned me about this early on D2.

My current reasoning for voting Macca on D2 is that she has just been lurking too hard, half her posts are about her out of game relation with Bona, she had never expanded on any townreads or scumreads. And her only 2 scumreads are people who scumread her.