MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

I think the main difference is Kgray is more actively pushing for not to kill Celaph even knowing we need to flip him. What are the options? We do that flip him today he will be a wagon every single day unless there is a mech way to confirm him one way or another or a vig exists.

I think his claim could be true, but it's a claim that can't be easily proved and have a same role as scum.
It woould be just unfortunate if he is town but he was the runner up in a town kill, saved by an Alien the next day and lied about his role under pressure. Probably any of this reasons alone is worth flipping him. Even him (if town) would agree he is the right flip today.

Don't tell lies about me, Rivera. I'm not actively pushing for us not to kill celaph in any way, and I do know we need to flip him.

So, what are you doing? You know it's the right play but you don't want to take responsibility if he is town?

For me at least, I don't think it's the right play, but it's clearly inevitable.

[kgray]

Are you opposed to hammering him? I kinda think we should in the next hour, because this day has been pretty shitty, and I'd like to start a new one a real day sooner.

Do I have to vote for him for my end vote to count this game?

Yes

Then I don't want to hammer him.

[Bonatogether]

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[rdrivera2005]

I think the main difference is Kgray is more actively pushing for not to kill Celaph even knowing we need to flip him. What are the options? We do that flip him today he will be a wagon every single day unless there is a mech way to confirm him one way or another or a vig exists.

I think his claim could be true, but it's a claim that can't be easily proved and have a same role as scum.
It woould be just unfortunate if he is town but he was the runner up in a town kill, saved by an Alien the next day and lied about his role under pressure. Probably any of this reasons alone is worth flipping him. Even him (if town) would agree he is the right flip today.

Don't tell lies about me, Rivera. I'm not actively pushing for us not to kill celaph in any way, and I do know we need to flip him.

Are you opposed to hammering him? I kinda think we should in the next hour, because this day has been pretty shitty, and I'd like to start a new one a real day sooner.

That's something I can agree. I was waiting for Macca as he is the only non poster.

[ghug]

Do I have to vote for him for my end vote to count this game?

Yes

Then I don't want to hammer him.

I don't want to wait another two days to actually play this game.

[rdrivera2005]

Don't tell lies about me, Rivera. I'm not actively pushing for us not to kill celaph in any way, and I do know we need to flip him.

So, what are you doing? You know it's the right play but you don't want to take responsibility if he is town?

For me at least, I don't think it's the right play, but it's clearly inevitable.

What's the right play then?

[ghug]

Don't tell lies about me, Rivera. I'm not actively pushing for us not to kill celaph in any way, and I do know we need to flip him.

Are you opposed to hammering him? I kinda think we should in the next hour, because this day has been pretty shitty, and I'd like to start a new one a real day sooner.

That's something I can agree. I was waiting for Macca as they are the only non poster.

They've had a day.

[ghug]

So, what are you doing? You know it's the right play but you don't want to take responsibility if he is town?

For me at least, I don't think it's the right play, but it's clearly inevitable.

What's the right play then?

A real day of voting with multiple wagons and movement.

Celaph is a reasonable scumread but he isn't so confirmed as to be a unanimous wagon.

[rdrivera2005]

Are you opposed to hammering him? I kinda think we should in the next hour, because this day has been pretty shitty, and I'd like to start a new one a real day sooner.

That's something I can agree. I was waiting for Macca as they are the only non poster.

They've had a day.

Thanks. Sorry Macca, it's hard to remember and even harder to me as we don't use they/them with this meaning.

[kgray]

I think the main difference is Kgray is more actively pushing for not to kill Celaph even knowing we need to flip him. What are the options? We do that flip him today he will be a wagon every single day unless there is a mech way to confirm him one way or another or a vig exists.

I think his claim could be true, but it's a claim that can't be easily proved and have a same role as scum.
It woould be just unfortunate if he is town but he was the runner up in a town kill, saved by an Alien the next day and lied about his role under pressure. Probably any of this reasons alone is worth flipping him. Even him (if town) would agree he is the right flip today.

Don't tell lies about me, Rivera. I'm not actively pushing for us not to kill celaph in any way, and I do know we need to flip him.

So, what are you doing? You know it's the right play but you don't want to take responsibility if he is town?

Mostly I'm questioning why people scumread him, because right now there's a bunch of people just saying he's scum and hiding out among the masses of celaph voters.

Why do I have to join a wagon that already has a dozen votes? I don't want to support his kill since I think he's town. It's not about responsibility, but if I were going to take responsibility for a wagon then it wouldn't be for someone I townread. That doesn't mean I think he's gonna get out of it, or even that he should.

[rdrivera2005]

For me at least, I don't think it's the right play, but it's clearly inevitable.

What's the right play then?

A real day of voting with multiple wagons and movement.

Celaph is a reasonable scumread but he isn't so confirmed as to be a unanimous wagon.

And how to achieve this with Celaph alive? We forbid everyone to vote him?

[kgray]

Yes

Then I don't want to hammer him.

I don't want to wait another two days to actually play this game.

Don't you have work or something you could be doing instead?

We were literally talking about how people were interacting with the celaph wagon, and I thought we could have been getting somewhere, and you stopped engaging with it. It's your fault if you can't play the game without hammering.

[kgray]

What's the right play then?

A real day of voting with multiple wagons and movement.

Celaph is a reasonable scumread but he isn't so confirmed as to be a unanimous wagon.

And how to achieve this with Celaph alive? We forbid everyone to vote him?

You could move to Vecna

[jasnah]

Why don't the people who want a hammer round up, you know, more of the people who are actually on celaph for end votes? Instead of lobbying one of the few people not in a position to hammer?

[rdrivera2005]

A real day of voting with multiple wagons and movement.

Celaph is a reasonable scumread but he isn't so confirmed as to be a unanimous wagon.

And how to achieve this with Celaph alive? We forbid everyone to vote him?

You could move to Vecna

Why Vecna? My only reason to think Vecna is scum is that I think he would choose Alien over town any day, but this is something I feel valid for a lot of players.

[kgray]

And how to achieve this with Celaph alive? We forbid everyone to vote him?

You could move to Vecna

Why Vecna? My only reason to think Vecna is scum is that I think he would choose Alien over town any day, but this is something I feel valid for a lot of players.

What has Vecna done that makes you think he's town?

I've got a lot of townreads and I can think of reasons to townread even the people in my daykill pool, except for Vecna.

[brainbomb]

oh, bozo is doing a discard thing. what an utterly ridiculous thing to do. Let me just partake because it is hilarious.

Jamiet chose my role for me since I was too late in replying. He chose a very strong role for me and then discarded my VT thingy

[ghug]

What's the right play then?

A real day of voting with multiple wagons and movement.

Celaph is a reasonable scumread but he isn't so confirmed as to be a unanimous wagon.

And how to achieve this with Celaph alive? We forbid everyone to vote him?

Right, I don't think we can, so we should just kill him now.

[ghug]

Then I don't want to hammer him.

I don't want to wait another two days to actually play this game.

Don't you have work or something you could be doing instead?

We were literally talking about how people were interacting with the celaph wagon, and I thought we could have been getting somewhere, and you stopped engaging with it. It's your fault if you can't play the game without hammering.

Did you leave me open questions on that topic? I thought I'd given my thoughts.

[Donny Dude]

oh, bozo is doing a discard thing. what an utterly ridiculous thing to do. Let me just partake because it is hilarious.

Jamiet chose my role for me since I was too late in replying. He chose a very strong role for me and then discarded my VT thingy

What do you think of the people voting for vecna then Brain?