M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[Durga]

I take issue with putting me on the same level of lurking as flash

Youre at the same level of being unreadable to me.

That's a you problem

[Vecna]

How has flash done enough to go in your "pretty big suspicion" pile?

why single out flash in that question? id say its pretty obvious both him and durga are in there because theyre hardcore lurking.

Because flash always lurks, so how is that alignment indicative?

He didnt use to. And usually at town at least he is opinionated on some things. Its been said before by others, but here he magically found his way on the right wagon d1 without any process and has been using that to just stay out of view while we cut into everyone that didnt have an examplary timing on our vote.

[Durga]

My townread on Moscow is gone now too btw

Mine too.

Now that's a lurker that deserves attention

[Hellenic Riot]

Moscow's been coasting on those townreads, none of which I understood in the first place, ever since N1

[Vecna]

It is interesting that vecna has alternatively had suspicion of me and defended me. I am inclined to read that as town but I just can’t shake the feeling it is nefarious.

Why would defending you be town indicative?

Why has interest in daykilling you evaporated?

It could be town indicative because I know my alignment. I’ve been an easy wagon to push and scum would have been happy with any of the day 2 wagons, the only reason to defend any of them as scum is to gain town cred. Which I don’t think vecna as scum would need to stick his neck out to get more towncred from defending me but I may be wrong. I think interest in my wagon has disappeared for two reasons. First that it isn’t quite as easy to push now. And second and more importantly, my flip would show that all the day two wagons were town, so scum no longer has incentive to push me, they would rather leave that doubt out there and try to get a different miskil that wouldn’t help so much with the VCA.

See, these type of posts make me townread seth. Well thought-out reason that are just at a whole different level of depth than his thought patterns in the last iteration.

[kgray]

The fact that your vote changed a lot at eod. It just was not stable and maybe seemed like you were looking for a wagon.
Looking at your iso that day indicates you sr all three to some degree.
Kgray, what do you make of the fact that two of the three main D2 wagons are town?

What do you mean by "looking for a wagon" though? I did scumread all three of them and thought they were all good options. Bunny was my first choice until he claimed. My next choice was seth, but Chaqa wanted Prado and I sheeped him.

I don't get what you think is scummy about it? Why would scum be more likely to change their vote around like that than town?

I don't make too much out of the fact that 2 of the 3 wagons were town. They did scummy things D1, so I understood the pushes on them. It's possible that scum helped push them, but it's also entirely possible they sat back and watched.

Alright, that's fair.

Why are you backing down so fast? You can't answer the questions?

[Vecna]

Given I also defended seth *in the exact same post* as that read, suggesting I townread him because I found a significant part of his wagon suspicious - And given that the next day's vote was also 100% guaranteed to be *BunnyGo*, not seth, I feel like this post is just one gigantic crock of shit

I really do not see how you also townreading Seth in that post invalidates any of those possibilities. You also really couldnt have predicted that bunny was going to be the lynch. If he had claimed itemsmith with targets that confirmed he had given them the items there was zero chance he was getting lynched. If some vocal players had argued for a CC and there was none, he also mightve escaped.

There were a million reasons to think Bunny was a nailed-on elimination candidate, and pretty much zero to think Seth was going to be.

from a town pov youre absolutely correct. From a scum pov you'd also see the scenario's where he becomes believable because he could have proof (ie items delivered to people).

[Tom Bombadil]

You guys think MF bussed D1? Granted if maniac is scum, this point is moot - but my townread on Moscow is based pretty strongly on his critical role in killing summit D1

[Fluminator]

Seth hasn't been any more scummy than loads of other players, so I am confused why there's such a big push against him this whole game.

[Vecna]

That's a lovely dodge of the real question about what your scumread of her is actually based on

Is it? I think most town players here are pretty uneasy with Durga's play so far, and want her to do actually AI stuff. She's normally an easy read.

That's still not answering the question compadre

How does that not answer why im suspicious of her and think she's potentially scum?

[Fluminator]

HR and Vecna are good enough players that I doubt they'd get into a useless T v. T. Maybe one of them is scum. Ugggh

[ghug]

I take issue with putting me on the same level of lurking as flash

How the fuck do you have the sixth most posts in this game?

See the only reason I'm even considered a lurker rn is because I'm held to high standards.

No it also just feels in my bones like you haven't done anything useful.

[Hellenic Riot]

I really do not see how you also townreading Seth in that post invalidates any of those possibilities. You also really couldnt have predicted that bunny was going to be the lynch. If he had claimed itemsmith with targets that confirmed he had given them the items there was zero chance he was getting lynched. If some vocal players had argued for a CC and there was none, he also mightve escaped.

There were a million reasons to think Bunny was a nailed-on elimination candidate, and pretty much zero to think Seth was going to be.

from a town pov youre absolutely correct. From a scum pov you'd also see the scenario's where he becomes believable because he could have proof (ie items delivered to people).

Even if BunnyGo was by some fucking miracle the item smith that had softed Investigative PR (which I don't think would have been any more believable to a scum team than it would to the rest of us), there's still nothing whatsoever that points to seth being a nailed on elimination there.

[Durga]

HR and Vecna are good enough players that I doubt they'd get into a useless T v. T. Maybe one of them is scum. Ugggh

Inb4 S v S elaborate ploy

[Hellenic Riot]

You guys think MF bussed D1? Granted if maniac is scum, this point is moot - but my townread on Moscow is based pretty strongly on his critical role in killing summit D1

I think it's eminently plausible that Moscow felt that summit was not going to be able to save himself in the closing stages - Don't forget that Maniac hadn't voted Summit at the time when Moscow made it 8-8 (not that he ever did vote him). Moscow had also left the Summit wagon when it first took the lead, and joined both the Damo & the Nanook counter-wagons before he eventually got back to it.

[ghug]

It is interesting that vecna has alternatively had suspicion of me and defended me. I am inclined to read that as town but I just can’t shake the feeling it is nefarious.

Why would defending you be town indicative?

Why has interest in daykilling you evaporated?

It could be town indicative because I know my alignment. I’ve been an easy wagon to push and scum would have been happy with any of the day 2 wagons, the only reason to defend any of them as scum is to gain town cred. Which I don’t think vecna as scum would need to stick his neck out to get more towncred from defending me but I may be wrong. I think interest in my wagon has disappeared for two reasons. First that it isn’t quite as easy to push now. And second and more importantly, my flip would show that all the day two wagons were town, so scum no longer has incentive to push me, they would rather leave that doubt out there and try to get a different miskil that wouldn’t help so much with the VCA.

Do you see a benefit to scum defending you if you're a likely miskill?

[kgray]

You guys think MF bussed D1? Granted if maniac is scum, this point is moot - but my townread on Moscow is based pretty strongly on his critical role in killing summit D1

Are you townreading anyone with a critical role in killing summit or is that specific to Moscow because you think he wouldn't bus?

[Vecna]

Is it? I think most town players here are pretty uneasy with Durga's play so far, and want her to do actually AI stuff. She's normally an easy read.

Like, the fact youre not seeing and sensing that speaks volumes in itself. But sure, im the dodgy one.

I'm not? If you go back to my EoN reads list as long ago as two nights you'll see that any townread I had on her has long been receding.

The fact of the matter is that you've gone into a lot of detail about why Damo and I might be scum and yet you put Durga as at least as strong a scumread as the pair of us without ever giving any explanation whatsoever for it, and now that I'm pressuring you on it you're choking like you have a mouthful of octopi

Its not like im completely certain of my scumread of the two of you, individually. But if you really wanna argue that im not being very capable of making arguments why Durga is exactly just as scummy as you or Damo......fine. Its arbitrary grouping, and not exact science. Who wouldve thought that such a thing is possible. I still felt the 4 of you were scummier than the people in the lower tiers though.

Now if thats really the type of points youre trying to score, youre not realy trying to sort shit, and Durga is actually right that its a waste of space argument.

[seth24c]

You guys think MF bussed D1? Granted if maniac is scum, this point is moot - but my townread on Moscow is based pretty strongly on his critical role in killing summit D1

Summits teammates had to see that if he wasn’t killed day one he would have been the flip day 2 so any vote that saved him day 1 would incriminate them later. They would have seen how he wasn’t standing up to the pressure at all so I think at the very least there were some early bussers and even a critical vote that put him over the edge is possible.

[Vecna]

My townread on Moscow is gone now too btw

Mine too.

I still believe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craC ... ourneyVEVO