M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa please be careful not to reveal Jailer (unless they're in mortal danger of course). We already now know it's not TrPrado. This does not matter if TrPrado is scum but helps scum if he's not.

Don’t worry, the Jailer and I had extensive discussions on when/if to reveal his identity, there’s no need to worry about me screwing it up lol

[Chaqa]

If someone does actually have a gun, they should shoot it sometime in the next 6 hours to give us a full day to analyze the flip.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 2.2

BunnyGo (4) - worcej, Tom Bombadil, Donny Dude, Durga
seth24c (3) - MoscowFleet, TrPrado, ghug
TrPrado (3) - Chaqa, Vecna, Fluminator
Donny Dude (3) - bozotheclown, BunnyGo(END), damo666
Fluminator (1) - Maniac

Currently BUNNYGO is facing the music.

Just under 29 hours are left.

[TrPrado]

seth's D1 looks almost as suspicious as Donny's D1. seth never gave a reason why he did not want to vote for summit, but actively pushed damo and Maniac.

Yeah I feel like he really didn't care in the mini game as scum, and I'm not seeing any caring here.

Lots of people talking but nobody voting. ##vote damo

seth was the first vote for damo but he knew there was interest in damo, and damo became the lead wagon 30 minutes after seth's vote.

I didn't like the way he defended Chaqa, it looks like buddying and I didn't like him joke claiming scum.

He also did some pretty heavy hi’ing in the beginning of the game. I forgot how much until reading him again. Feeling a little better about damo so making maniac a bigger wagon works for me. ##vote maniac

damo was well behind by the time seth changed his vote, so commenting the he was "feeling a little better about damo" was not really necessary. Also, his reasoning for voting for Maniac was questionable, since Maniac only said "hi" twice, and that was in response to ghug and TrPrado, yet seth indicated he had just reread Maniac's posts.

Finally, when it was looking likely summit would be the kill, seth seemed to hedge on his lack of a summit read:

I really don't like these wagons, though, and I think Nanook, seth, Prado, and others are getting off too easy.

Lol after maniac claimed scum and possibly signaled traitor? If summit isn’t scum on the flip I will be convinced that maniac is.

Perfectly happy to see summit flip because he has seemed scummy to me as well. But if he isn’t scum maniac is public enemy number 1 imo.

Seth seemed ADAMANT to vote for Maniac on incredibly shaky reasoning after the summit wagon hit 5/6 voters

[MoscowFleet]

Yes, scum.

I realize this is ambiguous. Yes, he was softing scum.

Hold up. Can you expand on this?

Vecna asked if seth was softing anything. As a joke, I said yes, he was softing scum.

[worcej]

"Hasta la vista, baby"

Was worcej softing strongman? Did Donny respond here with his first post?

[MoscowFleet]

Can someone shoot seth so we don't have to wait a whole day to see him flip scum?

[MoscowFleet]

Also for what it's worth, I townread donny fairly strongly d1 from his posting style. I still need to look back at eod and figure out the votes though.

[TrPrado]

Was thinking gerneally about potential busters of summit and I think kgray is pretty unlikely. She has shown she can definitely bus, but as someone who saw firsthand how summit struggled last time, I don’t think she would immediately throw him on the tracks this game.

I understand the angle of bussing the potential weak link, but I don’t know if kgray would be cold blooded enough to do that to someone she just played with as scum and saw struggle.

did she start before or after the "show offline" thing became a thing?

Not that im really suspicious of her whatsoever, but ill stick to my earlier observations that her play is actually a bit closer to how she reasons and plays as scum than as town.

3p is still something to keep in mind maybe, for much much later on, if she somehow remains unresolved.

Does jailer protect from riddler? If not then either the riddler has already lost their powers and it’s not urgent for us to find or we have freelancer and should avoid stating theories about who we think they are

[damo666]

@Chaqa please be careful not to reveal Jailer (unless they're in mortal danger of course). We already now know it's not TrPrado. This does not matter if TrPrado is scum but helps scum if he's not.

Don’t worry, the Jailer and I had extensive discussions on when/if to reveal his identity, there’s no need to worry about me screwing it up lol

I assume 'his' is catchall

[Donny Dude]

##unvote
I don't think bunny is this thorough on the analysis if scum. Plus his answer to is everything is scum indicative seemed pretty towny.
I think moscow deserves some looking at because iso earlier. So does prado too. I don't like seth's last post he made. Still want to look at him too.

[BunnyGo]

Was thinking gerneally about potential busters of summit and I think kgray is pretty unlikely. She has shown she can definitely bus, but as someone who saw firsthand how summit struggled last time, I don’t think she would immediately throw him on the tracks this game.

I understand the angle of bussing the potential weak link, but I don’t know if kgray would be cold blooded enough to do that to someone she just played with as scum and saw struggle.

did she start before or after the "show offline" thing became a thing?

Not that im really suspicious of her whatsoever, but ill stick to my earlier observations that her play is actually a bit closer to how she reasons and plays as scum than as town.

3p is still something to keep in mind maybe, for much much later on, if she somehow remains unresolved.

Does jailer protect from riddler? If not then either the riddler has already lost their powers and it’s not urgent for us to find or we have freelancer and should avoid stating theories about who we think they are

This is soooo wrong as to be creepy.

[MoscowFleet]

Wow everyone wants to take a closer look at me, I feel special.

[TrPrado]

seth's D1 looks almost as suspicious as Donny's D1. seth never gave a reason why he did not want to vote for summit, but actively pushed damo and Maniac.

Lots of people talking but nobody voting. ##vote damo

seth was the first vote for damo but he knew there was interest in damo, and damo became the lead wagon 30 minutes after seth's vote.

He also did some pretty heavy hi’ing in the beginning of the game. I forgot how much until reading him again. Feeling a little better about damo so making maniac a bigger wagon works for me. ##vote maniac

damo was well behind by the time seth changed his vote, so commenting the he was "feeling a little better about damo" was not really necessary. Also, his reasoning for voting for Maniac was questionable, since Maniac only said "hi" twice, and that was in response to ghug and TrPrado, yet seth indicated he had just reread Maniac's posts.

Finally, when it was looking likely summit would be the kill, seth seemed to hedge on his lack of a summit read:

Lol after maniac claimed scum and possibly signaled traitor? If summit isn’t scum on the flip I will be convinced that maniac is.

Perfectly happy to see summit flip because he has seemed scummy to me as well. But if he isn’t scum maniac is public enemy number 1 imo.

I pushed the people I scumread. Damo hadn’t done anything of use and then once he came back and started posting I started to feel a little bit better about him. I had just read maniac on the bot and forgot to check if he was replying and I assumed he initiated the hi interactions. It was a poor case on my part but maniac has also stated that he was indeed softing mafia because he didn’t realize there was a traitor. So at least realize I had a basis for the people I was pushing. There were enough people pushing summit that I felt confident to explore other options to see what other information we could gather.

How very convenient for the scum to be softing for us, that way we don’t have to pretend to hunt for them!

[Chaqa]

did she start before or after the "show offline" thing became a thing?

Not that im really suspicious of her whatsoever, but ill stick to my earlier observations that her play is actually a bit closer to how she reasons and plays as scum than as town.

3p is still something to keep in mind maybe, for much much later on, if she somehow remains unresolved.

Does jailer protect from riddler? If not then either the riddler has already lost their powers and it’s not urgent for us to find or we have freelancer and should avoid stating theories about who we think they are

This is soooo wrong as to be creepy.

Idk I actually think this makes more sense coming from town!Prado

[Vecna]

Was thinking gerneally about potential busters of summit and I think kgray is pretty unlikely. She has shown she can definitely bus, but as someone who saw firsthand how summit struggled last time, I don’t think she would immediately throw him on the tracks this game.

I understand the angle of bussing the potential weak link, but I don’t know if kgray would be cold blooded enough to do that to someone she just played with as scum and saw struggle.

did she start before or after the "show offline" thing became a thing?

Not that im really suspicious of her whatsoever, but ill stick to my earlier observations that her play is actually a bit closer to how she reasons and plays as scum than as town.

3p is still something to keep in mind maybe, for much much later on, if she somehow remains unresolved.

This feels so forced

genuine observation mr ghug

[BunnyGo]

Does jailer protect from riddler? If not then either the riddler has already lost their powers and it’s not urgent for us to find or we have freelancer and should avoid stating theories about who we think they are

This is soooo wrong as to be creepy.

Idk I actually think this makes more sense coming from town!Prado

That may be true. Still wrong. Still creepy. But could be Town!prafo not thinking.

[kgray]

You're gonna stick with that reading? Cool story.

Hold up are talking about prs, because I am now confused.

They were saying "why you do that dumb bunny? why you help them find prs?!" and I said "umm...they've already found 2 of them on their own. Don't need my help. Only 2 useful PRs left" and you said "I'M DONNY!!!! BUNNY SCUM FOR PUSHING ME!!! WHY YOU SCUM BUNNY?!" and now we're here. And we're all dumber for it.

Hey remember when Bunny admitted to intentionally being a jerk to town!me in my first game as a scum tactic? I was scumreading him there as well.

I really don't like this persona. If it's real then I guess I finally understand why he plays up Drunk Bunny. But this is so different from his normal town game and I think he's just attacking Donny to get Donny confused/flustered and discredit his reads.

[kgray]

When did webDip mafia get so wholesome?

Depends on the person. If worcej or Bunny were being obvscum I'd bus them into the ground in a heartbeat

Where does bussing damo in M1011 fall in this range?

Well when I first started bussing damo that game I didn't think he'd take off as a real wagon but I also didn't want to draw attention to myself by unvoting him when he was in danger. Then when he survived the first day, I did what I could to back off of him and only voted for him again when it was obvious that he was scum.

I'm not saying I wouldn't bus summit here. But I don't think I would have been the second serious vote on him so early and then pressured him all day. But like I said, you can disagree. I'm not really trying to convince anyone with this.

[BunnyGo]

Hold up are talking about prs, because I am now confused.

They were saying "why you do that dumb bunny? why you help them find prs?!" and I said "umm...they've already found 2 of them on their own. Don't need my help. Only 2 useful PRs left" and you said "I'M DONNY!!!! BUNNY SCUM FOR PUSHING ME!!! WHY YOU SCUM BUNNY?!" and now we're here. And we're all dumber for it.

Hey remember when Bunny admitted to intentionally being a jerk to town!me in my first game as a scum tactic? I was scumreading him there as well.

I really don't like this persona. If it's real then I guess I finally understand why he plays up Drunk Bunny. But this is so different from his normal town game and I think he's just attacking Donny to get Donny confused/flustered and discredit his reads.

Hmm. I didn’t think I was doing that. I didn’t like Donny making up a fake reason to scum read me, and ask a repeated question that felt like “why are you scum?” But maybe. There are plenty of thoughtful reasons to scumread me.