MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[rdrivera2005]

What's the rationale for the Yoyo wagon?

Is it because they're a non-poster? Durga has made the closest thing resembling a case.

Is it better to kill off someone we're not hearing from (their inactivity can impede town, unless they're really scum and it doesn't matter) than to kill someone we can build an actual case on because of their interactions?

I think the latter is more viable, especially if Yoyo really is town.

And once again, doesnt HB have a bunch of games under his belt already?

This just reads like he wants to pull the newby card again.

This is something that is also making me doubt HB a bit. Too much self depreciation and I am new, mixed with some decent posts. All considered not a wagon I want to push today.

[rdrivera2005]

How is this hedgy? I’m choosing between two options, both of which I’ve been clear about scumreading.

Sorry, if I miss this. I interpreted it as you having a stronger scum read on summit but voting Prado to have another wagon.

just when I thought he did a thing, he goes and explains it, and its not a thing at all.

I don't know what thing you were talking about, but I do find Fox a bit scummy, not for the vote, that strike me as odd, but he was really scumreading Trp, but for the way he is flying under the radar. He is usually a lot more confrontational as town.

[Vecna]

What even is Vecna's scum meta?

Theatric WIFOM. Glorious, dastardly and convoluted schemes of guesswork that are half uncannily accurate and half utter shite. It's a joy to watch.

What?

[Vecna]

Sorry, if I miss this. I interpreted it as you having a stronger scum read on summit but voting Prado to have another wagon.

just when I thought he did a thing, he goes and explains it, and its not a thing at all.

I don't know what thing you were talking about, but I do find Fox a bit scummy, not for the vote, that strike me as odd, but he was really scumreading Trp, but for the way he is flying under the radar. He is usually a lot more confrontational as town.

Reread the confrontation between the two of us on D1 and let me know if u feel thats a town or a scum fox being very defensive and hostile

[Vecna]

This can’t be scum emc. No way he’s this good

I would like to think I'm this good, but everyone else would say otherwise ;p

You are quite good, and you love to butter people up to make them feel good about themselves. Its working on Durga already

[Vecna]

Alright, something came up, I will be back in 8 hours, just missing 4 or so pages until caught up.

Summit seems town but more...succinctly bland. Haven't seen any of his clever observations yet, but it's possible I've just missed it.

Damo went from his usual calm manner to rather pissed, but overall I don't think it's something that holds up for any sort of scumread.

Vecna is oddly chipper, and haven't a clue whether it's because certain old players are back or what else. Might be testing something, almost certainly is implying some shit but I'm too oblivious to see lol

ill take oddly chipper

[Vecna]

Woohoo! Caught up.

And here he claims he is caught up, yet all he has done is responded a little bit to the last 3 pages of the game with very vapid thoughts.

Claims im latching on to easy votes (not realizing the timing of my vote I bet), and then does it himself. Then does it again with the Worcej statement.

Flash is just trying to fly under the radar by agreeing a bunch with people

Also no other participating whatsoever since. 4 posts and a vote.

##vote Flash

[damo666]

This is where I'm at (and also is a summary for self)

Bis (emc) Emcs last few posts have swung this slot to weak town
Bozo medium town , seems to have gone a bit quiet
Bo unsure, pushing me soo weaktown
Durga beginning to think I was wrong - null+
Flash was townleaning, Vecna has pushed this to null
Fox strong town
Ghug medium strong town
HB the newby card becoming tiresome, 3p?
Rdr medium town (but he's good at seeming that) , treat with caution
Sarah (Chaqa) - insufficient data
Seth obvtown
Summit unsure, weaktown?
TrPrado dunno
Vecna obvtown
Worcej strong opening but not followed up, really dunno
Yoyo hope he flips scum

[dargorygel]

##GM NOTE
BobMcBob has replaced yoyoyozo

[BobMcBob]

Aaaaand I'm back, after a considerably briefer than I was expecting hiatus. But here I am now, and I fully expect to be lynched by the end of the day because that's exactly what happened last time. I'm gonna be a little busy (again) but I'll try to post enough to contribute and then some. Okay? Don't get up me for it (or do, your choice I guess).

[BobMcBob]

I have just been informed that a word I used is considered banned now, and I apologise for using it. I fully expect to instead be beaten, drowned, hanged and burned, in any order you choose, or all at once.

[BobMcBob]

Okay so I just read Yoyo's posts from day 1, and there's really nothing in there that jumped out at me, except the fact that I haven't read the setup yet...

[BobMcBob]

Okay, this is a pretty cool setup. Lie detector is an interesting role and has the potential to be one of our biggest assets. I mean cop also exists.... Big discussion on pedantic phrasing of lies/truths on day one which I'm sure I would've had a lot to say about on day one. But it's over now, so kinda in the past. Not sure how to react to the whole thing, would've given both damp and bunny some town for it. Next stop will be EoD and working out what bunny did to get himself pulverised or hung or dessicated or whatever.

[Durga]

Probably not, unless scum team is on him to make it look good. No one's moved on to that wagon so they're safe as of now.

I don't see why you need to equivocate on this one. There's zero chance seth is scum given what just happened.

Summit doing another one, where he has the same weird feelings about a post.

HB might be scum here. Summit suddenly looking a lot LOT better in my eyes.

I had both these thoughts too. I don't know why HB is so reluctant to participate

[Durga]

It isn’t dumb to listen to them. It’s dumb to think they were omniscient and were right without reflecting on new information.

Agree. You should not blindly follow the dead townies, but at least consider his thoughts as you can be sure they are town motivated.

Man, I know you did that cutesy thing of appealing to me that my posts have started looking better, but I really do not feel the same way about yours.

Wheres the deep thoughts Rdrivera? Youre so bloody surface level this game. Normally your town game always has you posting my thoughts when im catching up.

Has not happened a single time yet.

I really dont get how people are townreading you for this, but I guess that explains why you always cruise controlled through games when u rolled scum every game.

Is he not always like this. What deep thoughts are you looking for? I'm willing to entertain scum rdr but I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary yet. But maybe it's just getting lost since this is a massive game.

[Durga]

This can’t be scum emc. No way he’s this good

I would like to think I'm this good, but everyone else would say otherwise ;p

You are quite good, and you love to butter people up to make them feel good about themselves. Its working on Durga already

Who's buttering who?

[Durga]

Oh hi Bob, welcome. Please participate more so I can get a good read on you.

I'm not opposed to a flash wagon either. I know it's shitty to keep going after low posters but it's so much easier to hide as scum when you're just not posting.

[bo_sox48]

Did yoyo post at all at night?

He has not posted since day 1 when he left with 4 hours to go in the phase saying he would offer some analysis soon, so no.

Interesting that Bo is aware of Yoyo's movements, yet has no clue about Chaqas movements, even though he's directly adressing Chaqa in the post prior to this.

Why ask that question of chaqa, bo? Were you under the impression he has actually done/read something at all in this game?

What

[bo_sox48]

Agree. You should not blindly follow the dead townies, but at least consider his thoughts as you can be sure they are town motivated.

Townies are often killed because their reads are wrong and scum want to crystallize those views. The other side of the coin is that players with good reads are kept around to avoid suspicion that "X was pushing Q hard, therefor Q probably killed X" when Q is scum. So actually, HR's top reads are probably not scum.

Man, Fox, why you just engaging him on that fluff post, instead of calling him out. Also your reasoning is way too fluffy, scum kill players with good reads all the time, because noone ever listens to the dead anyway and its a vote less heading your way.

Why do people townread Rdrivera again?

Who townreads him and why are you not addressing them specifically and/or building a case on him?

[bo_sox48]

With a full day to EOD and summit not being a runaway wagon, yes. At this time you push your scumreads.

You're seated squarely at the head of the current runaway again, you know that right?

what does this mean, bo?

Youre telling Rdrivera he's about to be runover? One can only hope.

I’m telling him he’s the leading vote on Yoyo’s wagon, which is the runaway train nobody has bothered slowing at the moment, yet he is concerned about a wagon on summit that has not really had much traction since Prado and I started it apparently being a runaway wagon. It’s weird, like he doesn’t know how the vote count looks right now on the player he has been voting for all day.