Mafia 57 Matrix

[Jamiet99uk]

Long night phase is long.

Who are we lynching tomorrow?

BunnyGo, Chaqa and EMC would be my picks.

[Jamiet99uk]

(Or Damo, of course, since he volunteered, lol)

[BunnyGo]

Long night phase is long.

Who are we lynching tomorrow?

BunnyGo, Chaqa and EMC would be my picks.

Agreed. Too long.

What NK flips would most surprise you? (Either that they were a scum/virus target or what they flipped)

[Jamiet99uk]

Long night phase is long.

Who are we lynching tomorrow?

BunnyGo, Chaqa and EMC would be my picks.

Agreed. Too long.

What NK flips would most surprise you? (Either that they were a scum/virus target or what they flipped)

There's too much WIFOM in that question and I don't want to contribute to scum's decision making.

[BunnyGo]

Long night phase is long.

Who are we lynching tomorrow?

BunnyGo, Chaqa and EMC would be my picks.

Agreed. Too long.

What NK flips would most surprise you? (Either that they were a scum/virus target or what they flipped)

There's too much WIFOM in that question and I don't want to contribute to scum's decision making.

Ok. Think about it and tell us what your answer would have been after EON. I’d be curious for @anyone’s answer to that then.

I’d also REALLY LIKE someone else to do a good analysis of EOD1. I think you’re capable of that Jamie. Fox, ghug, Nanook? Where are you guys with time to look and think now that everyone KNOWS most wagons were town? Will anyone do the analysis under the assumption I’m Town too? Or that EMC and I share alignment? This isn’t that much to do.

Bueller?

[dargorygel]

Long night phase is long.

Who are we lynching tomorrow?

BunnyGo, Chaqa and EMC would be my picks.

Please do not use the phrase, "Lynch." Thank you

[Foxcastle]

Agreed. Too long.

What NK flips would most surprise you? (Either that they were a scum/virus target or what they flipped)

There's too much WIFOM in that question and I don't want to contribute to scum's decision making.

Ok. Think about it and tell us what your answer would have been after EON. I’d be curious for @anyone’s answer to that then.

I’d also REALLY LIKE someone else to do a good analysis of EOD1. I think you’re capable of that Jamie. Fox, ghug, Nanook? Where are you guys with time to look and think now that everyone KNOWS most wagons were town? Will anyone do the analysis under the assumption I’m Town too? Or that EMC and I share alignment? This isn’t that much to do.

Bueller?

I may yet get around to a look at EOD1, but I'm not sure why you'd expect anyone to do that analysis assuming you or EMC to be town...

[Jamiet99uk]

Long night phase is long.

Who are we [REDACTED] tomorrow?

BunnyGo, Chaqa and EMC would be my picks.

Please do not use the phrase, "[REDACTED]" Thank you

Oh sorry. Old habits, etc.

[Jamiet99uk]

Agreed. Too long.

What NK flips would most surprise you? (Either that they were a scum/virus target or what they flipped)

There's too much WIFOM in that question and I don't want to contribute to scum's decision making.

Ok. Think about it and tell us what your answer would have been after EON.

Good to know you're not planning to NK me.

[Jamiet99uk]

You know what I always say at about this time:

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[Hamilton Brian]

I think I am inching away from thinking Bunny is scum. Inching, not running away. Any continued reading I do within the context of the PRs makes me want to slam my head on the table.

I keep looking around, but I know I'm not seeing what most of the rest of you are seeing. I'm trying to really read here, but this is quickly washing over me.

And in case you see my name on the bottom, but I'm not posting, it's because I keep rereading the game setup.

[Jamiet99uk]

I keep looking around, but I know I'm not seeing what most of the rest of you are seeing. I'm trying to really read here, but this is quickly washing over me.

Do you have any questions?

[BunnyGo]

There's too much WIFOM in that question and I don't want to contribute to scum's decision making.

Ok. Think about it and tell us what your answer would have been after EON. I’d be curious for @anyone’s answer to that then.

I’d also REALLY LIKE someone else to do a good analysis of EOD1. I think you’re capable of that Jamie. Fox, ghug, Nanook? Where are you guys with time to look and think now that everyone KNOWS most wagons were town? Will anyone do the analysis under the assumption I’m Town too? Or that EMC and I share alignment? This isn’t that much to do.

Bueller?

I may yet get around to a look at EOD1, but I'm not sure why you'd expect anyone to do that analysis assuming you or EMC to be town...

There's only one case? You learn things by examining the options. Maybe you'll realize "oh...if EMC is town then it really seems like <insert> but if he's scum then <insert>." Maybe you'll see something that jumps out when comparing the cases.

You know....detective work.

[BunnyGo]

I keep looking around, but I know I'm not seeing what most of the rest of you are seeing. I'm trying to really read here, but this is quickly washing over me.

Do you have any questions?

I agree with the sentiment here: don't *just* reread. Engage with us!

[Foxcastle]

Ok. Think about it and tell us what your answer would have been after EON. I’d be curious for @anyone’s answer to that then.

I’d also REALLY LIKE someone else to do a good analysis of EOD1. I think you’re capable of that Jamie. Fox, ghug, Nanook? Where are you guys with time to look and think now that everyone KNOWS most wagons were town? Will anyone do the analysis under the assumption I’m Town too? Or that EMC and I share alignment? This isn’t that much to do.

Bueller?

I may yet get around to a look at EOD1, but I'm not sure why you'd expect anyone to do that analysis assuming you or EMC to be town...

There's only one case? You learn things by examining the options. Maybe you'll realize "oh...if EMC is town then it really seems like <insert> but if he's scum then <insert>." Maybe you'll see something that jumps out when comparing the cases.

You know....detective work.

What are you even saying here? Obviously there could be indications that you're town. But going in assuming you're town is not detective work.

[Jamiet99uk]

I may yet get around to a look at EOD1, but I'm not sure why you'd expect anyone to do that analysis assuming you or EMC to be town...

There's only one case? You learn things by examining the options. Maybe you'll realize "oh...if EMC is town then it really seems like <insert> but if he's scum then <insert>." Maybe you'll see something that jumps out when comparing the cases.

You know....detective work.

What are you even saying here? Obviously there could be indications that you're town. But going in assuming you're town is not detective work.

I think he means that you should re-read from both assumptions.

[BunnyGo]

I may yet get around to a look at EOD1, but I'm not sure why you'd expect anyone to do that analysis assuming you or EMC to be town...

There's only one case? You learn things by examining the options. Maybe you'll realize "oh...if EMC is town then it really seems like <insert> but if he's scum then <insert>." Maybe you'll see something that jumps out when comparing the cases.

You know....detective work.

What are you even saying here? Obviously there could be indications that you're town. But going in assuming you're town is not detective work.

Doing multiple cases of analysis is!

Case 1: Bunny-EMC scum team!
Case 2: Bunny = dumb town EMC = scum
Case 3: Bunny-EMC both town (what was that day then?!)
Case 4: Bunny = dumb scum EMC = town

Just draw different conclusions when you reread the EOD in each case.

[Hamilton Brian]

Some questions that are standing out to me right now are:

1). Damo was SO quick to start the DRHK wagon, and then so many of you seemed to read something in it that made you jump aboard. Was Damo implying something valid?

2). The flip of DRHK as town; my immediate lambic-system read of that is Damo made that wagon so hard, that indicts Damo. But that's got to be too simplistic; does that then focus attention to the other band wagoners?

3). Some of you are thinking all of the wagons from Day 1 were town. Why?

I'm asking because I genuinely want to learn and improve. This is bigger than the Dell logic puzzles.

[BunnyGo]

Maybe the conclusions from one case will strike you as so ludicrous that you'll decide "this case cannot be reality."

[Jamiet99uk]

1). Damo was SO quick to start the DRHK wagon, and then so many of you seemed to read something in it that made you jump aboard. Was Damo implying something valid?

Yes. It works like this:

1. There is a way of scanning to see if someone is the chosen one.
2. BUT, scum also have a role which can impersonate the chosen one for the purposes of that scan.
3. BUT, there is also a "miller" who scans as "chosen one" even though they are neither the chosen one, or the impersonating scum. The miller is unaware that they are the miller.

Based on 1,2, and 3, I invite you to do some thinking and work out what appears to have happened.

2). The flip of DRHK as town; my immediate lambic-system read of that is Damo made that wagon so hard, that indicts Damo. But that's got to be too simplistic; does that then focus attention to the other band wagoners?

The conclusion you draw in relation to the first question should help you to think about this second question.

3). Some of you are thinking all of the wagons from Day 1 were town. Why?

I do not think that. I think EMC is scum. So I cannot comment on that.