Mafia 57 Matrix

[BunnyGo]

Or I should ask, why do you think Bis is more deserving than Nan?

I've laid out my case against Bis. He's lurking. He's scum slipping (there are two maybes--one caught by bozo, one by me). He was the one who pushed damo more than anyone D1. His entire day 2 ISO is AWFUL!!

Here's how you find it. Go to the bot. Search among all messages. Search for user Bis* (the * means you don't have to type the rest--it looks for anything that starts Bis) and then under phase put D2. Tell me ANYTHING there looks good.

Necessity is the mother of all invention. YOU need ME as the distraction from YOUR SCUMMY BEHAVIOUR, so YOU INVENT anything and everything, then saturate the thread with it, to obfuscate further. It is well known populist theory: invent external enemies to draw attention away from your own weaknesses. Brilliant! Your tunnelling me will get Town nowhere...

The OMGUS is strong with you.

[Nanook]

Tbh I think it’s just as likely if not more likely that Bismarck has no grasp on this game’s mechanics. Never assume malice where incompetence is a possibility etc. etc.

He’s probably just town

[BunnyGo]

Bismarck, haven't you realized that scum has the roleblock power. So, they know if Worcej was roleblocked or not so all you are saying doesn't make any sense?

Now, Bunny will grill me, but this is also depressing me.

By the way, ##vote emc. If he flips scum I get back to Bunny...

Not gonna grill you.

Do you think Bismarck’s implicit assumptions in his error suggest he knew that scum RBd worcej? That’s what I hear:

“Of course scum will fall for it because we did block worcej”

I don't know. I just don't see any logic on his thinking so I don't see a scum slip. I get back to my motivation mantra. Why scum Bismarck will say something so bizarre and why nobody on his team gave him any advice to get him out of this hook? To me looks a lot more like a lost townie then a scum faking being lost.

That’s the other option. But I’m order to make this mistake he has to expect scum to fall for it. Which implies he’s thinking about that scum KNOW he was RBd.

[BunnyGo]

Tbh I think it’s just as likely if not more likely that Bismarck has no grasp on this game’s mechanics. Never assume malice where incompetence is a possibility etc. etc.

He’s probably just town

Ugh. You’re both (You and rdr) probably correct. It’s just that last piece.

[BunnyGo]

The fact he never responds to our content is somewhat triggering too.

[BunnyGo]

Why is HR scummier to you (nanook) than HB?

[BismarckAlive]

Ok. Thought experiment here on possible scum thinking (assuming Damo is Town):

(0) We don't know whether Virus has been redpilled.
(1) Damo just had a brain explosion and outed himself as a PR. 100% nightkill sometime...
(2) Wow! Worcej just claimed having been roleblocked! We know he is not scum, so he is either PR or Virus! Why not kill him first instead and see what he flips?

Maybe VT Worcej simply sacrificed himself for the greater Town good, and scum bought it...

Bismarck, haven't you realized that scum has the roleblock power. So, they know if Worcej was roleblocked or not so all you are saying doesn't make any sense?

Now, Bunny will grill me, but this is also depressing me.

By the way, ##vote emc. If he flips scum I get back to Bunny...

Not gonna grill you.

Do you think Bismarck’s implicit assumptions in his error suggest he knew that scum RBd worcej? That’s what I hear:

“Of course scum will fall for it because we did block worcej”

Of course scum would know whether they roleblocked Worcej or not!! DUH! And while we are at it, scum would have received a PM such as "Your action failed" because Worcej DID NOT HAVE ANY ACTIONS!! What I am THEORISING is that Worcej made it up!! Now, the only people that would "KNOW" the truth 100% would be scum...so did you just out yourself by hounding this supposed "scumslip" from me for the last few hours ???? Are you implying you KNOW Worcej is telling the truth ???

[BunnyGo]

Bismarck, haven't you realized that scum has the roleblock power. So, they know if Worcej was roleblocked or not so all you are saying doesn't make any sense?

Now, Bunny will grill me, but this is also depressing me.

By the way, ##vote emc. If he flips scum I get back to Bunny...

Not gonna grill you.

Do you think Bismarck’s implicit assumptions in his error suggest he knew that scum RBd worcej? That’s what I hear:

“Of course scum will fall for it because we did block worcej”

Of course scum would know whether they roleblocked Worcej or not!! DUH! And while we are at it, scum would have received a PM such as "Your action failed" because Worcej DID NOT HAVE ANY ACTIONS!! What I am THEORISING is that Worcej made it up!! Now, the only people that would "KNOW" the truth 100% would be scum...so did you just out yourself by hounding this supposed "scumslip" from me for the last few hours ???? Are you implying you KNOW Worcej is telling the truth ???

So let me understand your theory:

1) scum actually RBd worcej
2) worcej then correctly made up a guess than he was RBd. Somehow deciding to mislead town, but also correctly guessing that scum DID target him
3) scum then decide that he must be PR/virus

Is that correct?

[BismarckAlive]

I wouldn't mind your gut reads either gold.

Okay, most town to least. Tom's dropped a little bit in my books. bo has gone up.

damo - town
ghug
Bunny
bo
Jamiet
HB
HR
Tom
Foxcastle - null
Bismarck
Temasek
therul
rdrivera
Nanook
TheFlyingBoat
emc

goldfinger, you have 6 people you scumread more than me, and yet you park your vote on me? Why not vote your reads?

[BunnyGo]

@Bismarck what’s your background? Have you played here before? Played a lot on other mafia forums? Played a lot face-to-face?

[rdrivera2005]

Bismarck, haven't you realized that scum has the roleblock power. So, they know if Worcej was roleblocked or not so all you are saying doesn't make any sense?

Now, Bunny will grill me, but this is also depressing me.

By the way, ##vote emc. If he flips scum I get back to Bunny...

Not gonna grill you.

Do you think Bismarck’s implicit assumptions in his error suggest he knew that scum RBd worcej? That’s what I hear:

“Of course scum will fall for it because we did block worcej”

Of course scum would know whether they roleblocked Worcej or not!! DUH! And while we are at it, scum would have received a PM such as "Your action failed" because Worcej DID NOT HAVE ANY ACTIONS!! What I am THEORISING is that Worcej made it up!! Now, the only people that would "KNOW" the truth 100% would be scum...so did you just out yourself by hounding this supposed "scumslip" from me for the last few hours ???? Are you implying you KNOW Worcej is telling the truth ???

Bismarck, scum didn't get that message. There are reasons that make a roleblock fail, but the target having no action isn't one.
Also, there is no fucking reason for a VT to fake a roleblock on this setup, so Bunny, I and anyone that can understand the setup assumes that Worcej was telling the truth.

[Nanook]

Why is HR scummier to you (nanook) than HB?

Easier to see a world where HB is kinda lost. False dichotomy is a relatively easy trap to fall into as town. Plus would prooooobably require both of bo/HR to be town, so.

[BunnyGo]

Not gonna grill you.

Do you think Bismarck’s implicit assumptions in his error suggest he knew that scum RBd worcej? That’s what I hear:

“Of course scum will fall for it because we did block worcej”

Of course scum would know whether they roleblocked Worcej or not!! DUH! And while we are at it, scum would have received a PM such as "Your action failed" because Worcej DID NOT HAVE ANY ACTIONS!! What I am THEORISING is that Worcej made it up!! Now, the only people that would "KNOW" the truth 100% would be scum...so did you just out yourself by hounding this supposed "scumslip" from me for the last few hours ???? Are you implying you KNOW Worcej is telling the truth ???

So let me understand your theory:

1) scum actually RBd worcej
2) worcej then correctly made up a guess than he was RBd. Somehow deciding to mislead town, but also correctly guessing that scum DID target him
3) scum then decide that he must be PR/virus

Is that correct?

Oh and I forgot 1,b) scum get a message saying “worcej was not successfully RBd”

[BunnyGo]

Why is HR scummier to you (nanook) than HB?

Easier to see a world where HB is kinda lost. False dichotomy is a relatively easy trap to fall into as town. Plus would prooooobably require both of bo/HR to be town, so.

I mean....I can see that world. But can you explain why you doubt both bo & HR are town?

[dargorygel]

##GM NOTE
VOTE COUNT 3.1

BismarckAlive (5) therul, goldie, Bunny, Temasek, damo,
Nonook (4) Jamie, HR, bo, Hamilton
Foxcastle (1) ghuggles
Hellenic Riot (1) Nanook
BunnyGo (1) Foxy
e.m.c^42 (1) rdrivera

Not yet announcing a vote:
BismarckAlive, e.m.c^42, TheFlyingBoat, Tom Bomb

Not yet posting anything: e.m.c^42
7 hours and 47 minutes remaining in this day.

[BismarckAlive]

##vote Bismarck

So, who do you town!read in my list of 5?

[BunnyGo]

##vote Bismarck

So, who do you town!read in my list of 5?

How f*^%ing dumb are you?!

[BunnyGo]

##vote Bismarck

So, who do you town!read in my list of 5?

How f*^%ing dumb are you?!

Sorry. That was too rude. I’m done. Someone else do it.

[BismarckAlive]

@Bismarck what’s your background? Have you played here before? Played a lot on other mafia forums? Played a lot face-to-face?

Playing Diplomacy since I was 16. Lots of mafia FTF with family/friends; only web mafia has been here.

[BismarckAlive]

So, who do you town!read in my list of 5?

How f*^%ing dumb are you?!

Sorry. That was too rude. I’m done. Someone else do it.

I offered my 5 scums. Damo said I could be 80% correct (ie 4/5) and then voted me. Now, it is midnight for me and I need sleep, but, didn't Damo imply he reads one of my 5 as Town and the other 4/5 as possible scum?? Is my question DUMB ??