M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[BunnyGo]

Oh, lmao nm

That's right, you haven't yet met the brilliance of Drunk Bunny (TM). You've only ever dealt with that other schmuck, Dumb Bunny.

Dumb Bunny doesn't trust you, because he's having trouble not focusing on all your little mistakes. But Drunk Bunny (TM) has an inkling that you're just human. That your Buddhist ideas about Mafia are correct, and you are drifting on the wind with us all.

Now, the real questions: Chaq, wassup there? Damo, why he trying to protect Chaq after bussing him? Xorxes, is he ever going to push an agenda, he's here and participating, but is he? Balki, why is he insisting that we should all be wary of him, is this a big double bluff? Fox, why does he never make an impression on me in any game ever? THESE ARE THE DRUNK BUNNY (TM) QUESTIONS, AND DRUNK BUNNY WILL PASS OUT SHORTLY AFTER TRYING TO RESEARCH THEM!!

[BobMcBob]

And then Chaqa hammers immediately after Flum, after saying how he was refusing to be one of the hammer voters. That shift was way too quick. I just hate everybody on the wagon, but mostly those who decided to kill him at the end. Chaqa looks bad, flum seems alright, bozo isn't the most amazing, threatening to hammer Vecna if Vecna voted himself. Why do that?

[BobMcBob]

Hang on, my bad. ##Vote Chaqa

[BobMcBob]

Chaqa: "I'm firmly against hammering this"
Also Chaqa: "If you want to hammer, I guess I'll join"

[Balki Bartokomous]

And then Chaqa hammers immediately after Flum, after saying how he was refusing to be one of the hammer voters. That shift was way too quick. I just hate everybody on the wagon, but mostly those who decided to kill him at the end. Chaqa looks bad, flum seems alright, bozo isn't the most amazing, threatening to hammer Vecna if Vecna voted himself. Why do that?

So, why is the shift too quick?

Explain your thinking here.

Are you just looking for someone who does something inconsistent? Why does that suggest that Chaqa is scum?

Town do stuff that is inconsistent all the time. Town are probably a lot less careful about consistency than their carefully posing opponents, right? Why do you think the Scum!Chaqa is the more likely explanation?

Think this through all the way please.

[BobMcBob]

I do remember someone saying hypocrisy is Chaqa's meta or something, but this sucks. Vecna was already a bad vote, at least on Day 2. He had stated in multiple posts earlier that he was not going to hammer, but as soon as Flum hammered, Chaqa placed a hammer too. It seems opportunistic. Although perhaps too opportunistic. On second thoughts, it seems almost too scummy to be scum. But double bluffs? I dunno. On the one hand I don't like how quickly he flipped, but the flip was so quick I doubt scum would have done it because it was too fast. But they'd have cover because why would scum do something so scummy. Maybe NAI? emc wagon is bad, I don't want to lynch emc. Maybe we can start a bozo wagon or something? I'm gonna sit my vote here for the moment, in case I don't get back to it. I'll get onto reading Sulit later after I have lunch, but I may not post again for a while.

[BunnyGo]

Drunk Bunny (TM) take: Why does Balki never express an opinion? Does he think he can just coast on asking questions? Challenging us by constantly pointing out the WIFOMy observations? Is he ever going to do anything, or just coast?

[kgray]

I do remember someone saying hypocrisy is Chaqa's meta or something, but this sucks. Vecna was already a bad vote, at least on Day 2. He had stated in multiple posts earlier that he was not going to hammer, but as soon as Flum hammered, Chaqa placed a hammer too. It seems opportunistic. Although perhaps too opportunistic. On second thoughts, it seems almost too scummy to be scum. But double bluffs? I dunno. On the one hand I don't like how quickly he flipped, but the flip was so quick I doubt scum would have done it because it was too fast. But they'd have cover because why would scum do something so scummy. Maybe NAI? emc wagon is bad, I don't want to lynch emc. Maybe we can start a bozo wagon or something? I'm gonna sit my vote here for the moment, in case I don't get back to it. I'll get onto reading Sulit later after I have lunch, but I may not post again for a while.

Why bozo?

[BunnyGo]

I think Balki has been telling is the truth. I think *that's* what he means when he tells us "he plays the alignments identically". He tells the truth both times, but just chooses what truth to tell. This is how good players play diplomacy, it's how he's playing Mafia.

First the "I'm the sleeper scum" post to start. Honest.

Then this:

I have decided that I am going to spend most of my time grumpily pointing out when other people are being dumb. I consider this to be my solemn duty. You're welcome.

Honest, and useless *while seeming very useful*

Is a jerk for a while, but never claims any knowledge from it. Unlike other players I've see pretend to be jerks, but have takeaways. He just stopped.

Sheeps Flum for his Tem vote.

Most (if not all) of his analysis posts are wishy washy WIFOMy non-committal posts.

I'm not going to post the full analysis, that's Dumb Bunny's job. But Drunk Bunny (TM) is worried. I think Balki is snowing us with truth. And we're all letting him. ##VOTE BALKI.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Drunk Bunny (TM) take: Why does Balki never express an opinion? Does he think he can just coast on asking questions? Challenging us by constantly pointing out the WIFOMy observations? Is he ever going to do anything, or just coast?

I see you Drunk Bunny.

I guess five points for anyone who can find an “opinion I’ve expressed.” But it might be super hard. Bunny says My next will be my first.

[BunnyGo]

Drunk Bunny (TM) take: Why does Balki never express an opinion? Does he think he can just coast on asking questions? Challenging us by constantly pointing out the WIFOMy observations? Is he ever going to do anything, or just coast?

I see you Drunk Bunny.

I guess five points for anyone who can find an “opinion I’ve expressed.” But it might be super hard. Bunny says My next will be my first.

I'm sure you've expressed them, but they always have caveats.

[BunnyGo]

Drunk Bunny (TM) take: Why does Balki never express an opinion? Does he think he can just coast on asking questions? Challenging us by constantly pointing out the WIFOMy observations? Is he ever going to do anything, or just coast?

I see you Drunk Bunny.

I guess five points for anyone who can find an “opinion I’ve expressed.” But it might be super hard. Bunny says My next will be my first.

In any case, I just feel like you're telling us the truth. I let Dumb Bunny get all whiny with his ISOs and logic and isht. This is just about you, and my 3rd sense.

[BunnyGo]

Drunk Bunny (TM) take: Why does Balki never express an opinion? Does he think he can just coast on asking questions? Challenging us by constantly pointing out the WIFOMy observations? Is he ever going to do anything, or just coast?

I see you Drunk Bunny (TM).

I guess five points for anyone who can find an “opinion I’ve expressed.” But it might be super hard. Bunny says My next will be my first.

Edit above.

[BobMcBob]

Most (if not all) of his analysis posts are wishy washy WIFOMy non-committal posts.

I can relate to this. Kind of glad he's not targeting me this time. I would say this is a reasonable position for a town player to be in, but Balki's supposed to be experienced, right? I, on the other hand am not. Still wouldn't be voting Balki in this position.

[Chaqa]

Well Chaqa nobody seems to agree with me that your D1 votemove to Tem with 20 mins to go is unscummy. What do you say?

Everything I’ve ever done going back to Mafia 1 is scummy. Some day someone will have to teach me how to be a pro towny like Flum or xorx

[Chaqa]

What do you mean by this? Do you want me to read over Sulit's D1 and see what i think of it or something?

That would be awesome!

Okay, now that you and bunny have both asked me to do this, it's my second priority right after I finish the EoD. Just right now, Chaqa sucks. He jumped on Vecna without giving proper reasoning, just saying "don't like Vecna's posts here." Really bad. Why jump on the wagon like that? Bad Chaqa. Perhaps Chaqa doesn't understand bluffs? Or Vecna? Doesn't seem very towny, but maybe it's just Chaqa's meta?

Oh I’m sorry I didn’t write a twenty paragraph epic on what I didn’t like about Vecna.

Piling on attacking me with nothing substantive? Scum.

[Chaqa]

And then Chaqa hammers immediately after Flum, after saying how he was refusing to be one of the hammer voters. That shift was way too quick. I just hate everybody on the wagon, but mostly those who decided to kill him at the end. Chaqa looks bad, flum seems alright, bozo isn't the most amazing, threatening to hammer Vecna if Vecna voted himself. Why do that?

I had a very explicit and explained reason for my change of heart. Go back and read my posts. Thanks.

[Chaqa]

Drunk Bunny speaks my language.

I really think the scum team is in the group of Balki, SulitBob, Flum, xorxes.

Probably 2-3 in there at least.

[BobMcBob]

And then Chaqa hammers immediately after Flum, after saying how he was refusing to be one of the hammer voters. That shift was way too quick. I just hate everybody on the wagon, but mostly those who decided to kill him at the end. Chaqa looks bad, flum seems alright, bozo isn't the most amazing, threatening to hammer Vecna if Vecna voted himself. Why do that?

I had a very explicit and explained reason for my change of heart. Go back and read my posts. Thanks.

Because he said that he got Nk'ed really early really often when he didn't actually? I don't see quite how that's a nail in his coffin. If you got fearkilled a few times in a row, you'd feel pretty bad. You'd remember it. I know I remember being scumread consistently for how I play. In fact, I feel as though it happens every game. I can't see your problem there. And anyway, I don't have anyone better to vote at the moment. You point, I'll have a look at them as soon as I can access the bot again and I've had a look at the previous incarnation of myself.

[Chaqa]

And then Chaqa hammers immediately after Flum, after saying how he was refusing to be one of the hammer voters. That shift was way too quick. I just hate everybody on the wagon, but mostly those who decided to kill him at the end. Chaqa looks bad, flum seems alright, bozo isn't the most amazing, threatening to hammer Vecna if Vecna voted himself. Why do that?

I had a very explicit and explained reason for my change of heart. Go back and read my posts. Thanks.

Because he said that he got Nk'ed really early really often when he didn't actually? I don't see quite how that's a nail in his coffin. If you got fearkilled a few times in a row, you'd feel pretty bad. You'd remember it. I know I remember being scumread consistently for how I play. In fact, I feel as though it happens every game. I can't see your problem there. And anyway, I don't have anyone better to vote at the moment. You point, I'll have a look at them as soon as I can access the bot again and I've had a look at the previous incarnation of myself.

He made a specific claim to look at the last 10 games as to him being killed night 1 in a lot of them. In fact he had won like 4 of them and was only killed twice in the the first two of the 10.

Seemed like a lie to me.