M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Chaqa]

Would it be considered outside the spirit of the game to try to trick him into getting modkilled?

Debatable. If he is town and thinks his being modkilled helps town win, then he wouldn't be playing against his win condition necessarily. That said, if he refuses to follow this strategy, we could consider him scum :)

I remember when I was on the mafia council (lol, how did I ever get that position) we put in a rule that being modkilled automatically puts you on the losing team, so it would be playing against your win con.

But I don't see it in the rule thread for this game...

Would it be considered outside the spirit of the game to try to trick him into getting modkilled?

What is this nonsense?

Yes, it is totally against the spirit of the game to somehow induce someone to break the rules of the game.

Don't be an ass.

Yeah, but EMC is already kind of playing against the spirit of the game by refusing to post or play until eod as some sort of policy which he apparently does every game?

I don't recall that rule ever being formalized in the game rules, though it's possible it was just lost at some point. I know meme and I modified/updated the general rules template in M19, and then again it got updated around M45 or so to include a few changes.

[brainbomb]

Modkills are a disqualifying circumstance. you are not counted among the winners if modkilled. it also typically includes a 1 game ban

[Chaqa]

If EMC gets lynched, I won't be ranting to the God thread about how bad the town is because I understand that one.

I think I'll stay on Rdrivera though.

1. Switched off Bob (scum) onto EMC eod 3. Did it in a sneaky way by voting someone else between the switch for a small time. No matter how much someone can smoothtalk it, it looks bad on paper.

2. One of the only players (others being Fox and EMC) to never try to engage with or interact with Bob. Scum partners usually try to avoid contact to avoid associative tells or awkward scum vs. scum interaction.

3. I'm always looking for towntells in people, and since day 1, he's had no thoughts that I see more likely coming from a clueless townie perspective. Call this one gut.

4. I've struggled following his thought patterns all game, and seeing a logical progression that town would have. (For example, saying that at least two scum probably bussed Bob, but we should lynch on the EMC wagon - even though there are only 2 buddies in the know) If he was town, I'd feel like he'd realize stuff like this before being pointed out.

5. He'll say stuff and go back on them when convenient for reasons that seem weak to me.

Do you know something about his alignment we don't?

Scumslip?

[rdrivera2005]

The comparison you did between my first post in this game and another game is ridiculous. It's a semi joke and the usual way I start playing as any alignment and it really gives me pause that you brought that. The way you insisted that I should have thought HM misapplied the rules instead of the rules have burn changed is even worst.

Maybe it was lighthearted, but it didn't strike me as a joke. In both cases you were responding to something non-jokey and your comment at least seemed to be one of serious approval. And it wouldn't have been remarkable if it was something you do all the time. I don't recall you ever starting a game with a favorable disposition towards me, other than these two instances. You normally view everything I do with suspicion.

As for the other thing, You are either misunderstanding or purposefully misinterpreting. Your "who changed the rules? I will now read the last 20 pages" sounded to me like you wanted to make it clear that you were not responsible for the hammer because your hammer vote was made under a different understanding of the rules.

That's not true I always look at you with suspicion and I was strongly townreading you on D1. It's a half joke, I liked your question and most of the other things posted are just the usual D1 crap.

Ok, I misunderstood your point, you think I was faking indignation. Fine, but if you look at my posts at D2 (only 3 as I was really busy), I said: "From this trio, Vecna is the one I am less inclined to push a lynch, I think he might be trying to avoid an early NK."
I voted to end on pjandy and when I got back Vecna was lynched. I think I had good reason to have indignation and I took my responsibility for the hammer and for not have looked the rules carefully. But I will not take responsibility for lynching Vecna.

[xorxes]

Kgray, regardless of your alignment this game, I really hope you continue to play with us. Definitely 2020 New Player of the Year.

True, but so pockety.

[xorxes]

I remember damo helping get me mislynched once when he was scum doing something equally as blatant. I looked it up and it was D1 of M46. I was one vote behind scum Flavius, 7-6, 3 minutes before EOD, when scum damo posted this:

Vote bozo now

For some reason, 2 town responded by immediately voting for me, leading to me getting mislynched.

Compare this to how damo ended D3:

Back to emc folks

1 more switch required

Maybe damo is willing to blatantly try to save a scum teammate at EOD because he knows people will think it is too obvious to be scum.

Interesting.

[Chaqa]

Kgray, regardless of your alignment this game, I really hope you continue to play with us. Definitely 2020 New Player of the Year.

True, but so pockety.

In what way?

[xorxes]

Which role would be more valuable at this point?

I don't understand the point of this question. Clearly both killer and godfather more valuable than goon. You are beginning to worry me Xorxes.

This post concerned me about damo. damo usually pays close attention to the setup, I find it hard to believe he would not know as either town or scum that the GF role no longer has any extra value and that the killer was never more valuable than the goon.

I don't really see him manufacturing a townslip like that though. Possible but unlikely.

[Foxcastle]

Modkills are a disqualifying circumstance. you are not counted among the winners if modkilled. it also typically includes a 1 game ban

Can we just leave it at this, and focus on strategy for how to deal with EMC this game? There'll be plenty of time to pillory him in the signups for the next game.

I am fine if he's modkilled. I am fine if he's lynched. Both are reasonable outcomes. I am more worried about him popping in to avoid the modkill every EOD and ending up in the endgame. Either he's scum, and once again we will have rewarded that tactic, or he's town and he's displacing a player who actually has a chance to be useful.

[xorxes]

Kgray, regardless of your alignment this game, I really hope you continue to play with us. Definitely 2020 New Player of the Year.

True, but so pockety.

In what way?

In an open and explicit way.

[Jamiet99uk]

It continues to bother me that Fluminator is repeatedly failing to notice things you'd think he would notice.

[xorxes]

My two general+specific townreads are Worcej and Damo. In addition to broadly thinking that they're playing townie, I think Worcej did some things in the dust-up with me early on that scum wouldn't, and I also have an item for Damo that specifically makes me think he's town, but I don't remember it (it's either in a notes file or I am pretty sure I could go back and identify it).

This is an old post, but something I meant to ask about and then forgot. @Fox, do you remember what it was about?

[xorxes]

EMC day 3 voting is very odd. He keeps to minor wagons when he could be voting Bob to relieve pressure on himself and only votes Bob once it was inevitable one of the 2 were for the chop. Also , why didn't Bob vote EMC?

All this indicates to me EMC is a more valuable scum than Bob.

##vote EMC

Join me. I'm pretty well convinced.

The things damo points out here are things that did make me suspect emc, namely the late emc vote for Bob and Bob twice choosing to vote for an emc counterwagon, but maybe damo is just using these things knowing they make a town emc look bad. If damo is scum who was trying to save Bob, then emc is town.

And presumably if EMC flips scum you will townread me I hope.

You could still be scum and not know that emc is scum.

[damo666]

The things damo points out here are things that did make me suspect emc, namely the late emc vote for Bob and Bob twice choosing to vote for an emc counterwagon, but maybe damo is just using these things knowing they make a town emc look bad. If damo is scum who was trying to save Bob, then emc is town.

And presumably if EMC flips scum you will townread me I hope.

You could still be scum and not know that emc is scum.

[Foxcastle]

My two general+specific townreads are Worcej and Damo. In addition to broadly thinking that they're playing townie, I think Worcej did some things in the dust-up with me early on that scum wouldn't, and I also have an item for Damo that specifically makes me think he's town, but I don't remember it (it's either in a notes file or I am pretty sure I could go back and identify it).

This is an old post, but something I meant to ask about and then forgot. @Fox, do you remember what it was about?

I do not remember anymore, but let me go see if I can identify it.

I am pretty sure it was this:

This end voting is a mistake given the vote distribution is not considered. It is too easily manipulated by scum.

Anybody not unending I will consider to be a scum.

Happy to vote any of the lurkers.

This post struck me as very unlikely to come from scum. It's pretty old at this point, but Damo has seemed townie to me in general.

[Fluminator]

okay fine

##Vote EMC

[xorxes]

Another note I caught: Xorxes makes little in-jokes throughout his posts. Calling worcej smarmy, asking Chaqa about college roommates, "worcius"... That just seems odd to me, but I don't know if it means anything.

That reminds me that Chaqa never answered the college roommate question.

[Fluminator]

Rdrivera is at least playing the game.
EMC needs to go

[Foxcastle]

Another note I caught: Xorxes makes little in-jokes throughout his posts. Calling worcej smarmy, asking Chaqa about college roommates, "worcius"... That just seems odd to me, but I don't know if it means anything.

That reminds me that Chaqa never answered the college roommate question.

Is this another little joke? Or are you actually asking Chaqa that question in expectation of an answer?

[Balki Bartokomous]

My two general+specific townreads are Worcej and Damo. In addition to broadly thinking that they're playing townie, I think Worcej did some things in the dust-up with me early on that scum wouldn't, and I also have an item for Damo that specifically makes me think he's town, but I don't remember it (it's either in a notes file or I am pretty sure I could go back and identify it).

This is an old post, but something I meant to ask about and then forgot. @Fox, do you remember what it was about?

I do not remember anymore, but let me go see if I can identify it.

I am pretty sure it was this:

This end voting is a mistake given the vote distribution is not considered. It is too easily manipulated by scum.

Anybody not unending I will consider to be a scum.

Happy to vote any of the lurkers.

This post struck me as very unlikely to come from scum. It's pretty old at this point, but Damo has seemed townie to me in general.

Good enough for me.

##vote Damo