M53: Mafia 1 Redux

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Does Vecna knowing what he did and why he did necessarily bad?

However I can’t see a scum brain doing that. It’s so blatant, I need to reread his interactions with emc to reach my end conclusion but on gut it seems you’re taking this too far.

Its brainbomb. He DOES do these type of blatant things as scum. He does em as town as well though.

Not saying its what happened (im really 50/50 on it) but ruling it out based on this reasoning is bad. Just like jamiet's reasoning that BB would never do this as town is bad.

BB is acting so blatantly scummy that I have a theory, just don't want to disclose it now.

I dont exactly see what you find blatantly scummy

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so who is all gets cleared when I flip scum? I was wondering what kind of damage control I ought to do

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I better 180 and hedge all my scumreads so no one knows who I was bussing

[rdrivera2005]

Its brainbomb. He DOES do these type of blatant things as scum. He does em as town as well though.

Not saying its what happened (im really 50/50 on it) but ruling it out based on this reasoning is bad. Just like jamiet's reasoning that BB would never do this as town is bad.

BB is acting so blatantly scummy that I have a theory, just don't want to disclose it now.

I dont exactly see what you find blatantly scummy

Your behavior at EOD. Your explanation that is convoluted (you didn't trust you were right about emc, when you didn't trust yourself?). This let's hammer the night that is obviously useless.

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Id like advice on how to up my scumgame

[foodcoats]

That would imply that I'd done something really clever and well though-out, but also been dumb enough to drop the roleplay.

Better hot take:
emc
brain
kalel
squigs maybe?

Me doing something that risky for a not easily forsee-able (for me at least) townread is almost enough to discount the theory already though. We all know I'm not good at this game, a fact which Squigs delights in.

I'm starting to get really annoyed that you are painting me a villain. If you take issue with the case I put on you, then tell us what was wrong with it. If you think my case on you had ulterior motives, then call me scum, vote for me, and convince others of that. But dont shade me, paint me as a bad guy, characterize me as someone who delights in your pain. I saw some aspects of your play that were questionable, so I questioned you, I pushed you, I got a conversation going. That's how you play the game.

Once upon a time I joined M3. I wasn't even 18 yet, but I thought, oooh, mafia, this will be fun. I proceeded to get wrecked by ghug. He wasn't very nice to me, and well, I wasnt very good at the game. I was a defensive noob, and ghug ran me up like day 2 as an easy mislynch. I played again, and ghug mislynched me again. I've looked back on the game, and I'm pretty sure I would have mislynched myself. Ghugs push on me was good for me though. If it weren't for him, I wouldn't have become the player I am now.

So you've got a choice Bob. You can continue to complain that people are mislynching you, scumreading you, whatever. You can continue to sell yourself short and say you aren't capable of playing well. Or, you can look around at the better players, try to understand the game, and evolve your own play. Choice is yours.

Squigs is town crier.

[damo666]

30 pages to catch up.

Wick summary?

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30 pages to catch up.

Wick summary?

In a desperate plea to save my wolf brother emc I faked a tie vote on bunnygo and emc flipped mafia goon. In the ensuing night I was so overcome with my guilt I continued to gamesolve even as all my actions were directly townclearimg millions of my detractors

[foodcoats]

PLACE A F8&$ing holding vote! I don’t give a sh&$ if it’s no lynch or self vote or me. But STOP TEMPTING THE MODKILL. Until you do consistently, you’re a liability.

This could very well be scum mad at their scummate for getting policy lynched. Liability to the scum team and all.

Could be. Last game when he was scum he voted very early to get the policy votes off him.

Bunny is very comfortable calling out their own scumminess - the above is just one of many examples. I seem to recall them doing this in a previous game, though, so I'm not sure it indicates anything.

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suddenly foodcoats is lucid and poignant. where did this character change come from?

did the trailer park supply of crystal meth run out finally?

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@bozo

on day 1 you asked me where neph directly scumread bobmcbob
he did actually say he scumread bob mcbob

Nephthys
Day-1 36:54
page 7 / orig
↑Vecna: "SCUUUUUM

SKOOOOOOM"


Almost definitely

neph stood in agreement with vecnas assessment that bobmcbob was almost definetely scum.

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he went on to say

Bob is forced and his long post didn't provide any actual conclusions.

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SQUIGGS:

You say bunny's vote on emc was a way to get credit from the emc haters. Except bunny's vote was the first in the game, before the emc hate came, and Bunny got 0 kudos. The name selection post had 0 explanation originally, and after you shaded that post for no apparent reason, Bunny replied that it was random. I fail to see how Bunny put too much effort in there. While Bunny hasn't done anything towny yet, your scumread here seems contrived.

NEPH

Are you also seriously telling me that there will be a D1 where EMC doesn't get voted for his obscure voting patterns. It's easy to pre-empt.

SQUIGGS

It's one thing to predict that emc will get votes day 1.
It's another to condemn someone for trying to garner kudos for appeasing emc haters by preemptively placing a vote there. You're construing a scummy motive for something that isnt necessarily scummy.

NEPH

Here I fundamentally disagree with you. There is a shit ton of research that backs me up as well.

As for the the vote, you cannot tell me its towny and on balance I have enough suspicion to shift it to scummy. That being said, it's D1 so much canch

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Oops

So much can change and it won't take him much to shift/neutralise my read

SQUIGGS

Alright, well, I'll let you play your jedi mind tricks while us big boys do some real solving.

I explicitly stated I didn't find Bunny towny, I've only said that you are construing a rather bland post as scummy. It feels contrived to me.

Squiggs vs Neph looks like squiggs is onto something but it kinda dies at the end

[brainbomb]

With no day chat you really think we can plan things? Or did you find my hidden semaphore?

If I ever made posts like this
Im pretty sure id be day 1 lynched. I fail to see how this is a joke, or tongue in cheek. He is speaking from the scum perspective.

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I understand now why no one was scumreading foxcastle when I was silemced. He had an accurate read on scum emc and none of mafia wanted to risk outing to go after fox by association

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and of course as soon as im unsilenced I put him in scumreads and go after him.

ive really made myself look like scum so far and not intentionally. just keeps happening that way.

my advice is look to the merits of my arguments. thats the best I can offer

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I would love to see this shitload of research you had neph?

There is a shit ton of research that backs me up as well.

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by all means share with the class

[BunnyGo]

This could very well be scum mad at their scummate for getting policy lynched. Liability to the scum team and all.

Could be. Last game when he was scum he voted very early to get the policy votes off him.

Bunny is very comfortable calling out their own scumminess - the above is just one of many examples. I seem to recall them doing this in a previous game, though, so I'm not sure it indicates anything.

Nothing I ever do is AI. I’m just that f$&:ing good. The only thing is I’ve never drawn anything but VT (except madness)

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I had more issue with bunny being frozen all day than with how he moved at the end.

Seeing it now. seeing emc was scum bunny voting right away.
and neph freezing on bunny all day looks like neph is caught