MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[peterlund]

I thought it was odd of Gold to say that as first thing after ItsHosuke had DIED. As if he was bussing his team mate Worcej because he knows Worcej is not BH and hoped to get some town cred if Worcej died first.

But now I think we should do as Xorxes already have suggested, test if we only get one night kill by role blocking Goldie tonight. Then we will know with some certainty that Goldie is the Reaver Prime and then we can continue to look for the Assasin, a possible second Reaver and the BH.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok I'm a fan of flavour but that was confusing.

[BunnyGo]

Ok I'm a fan of flavour but that was confusing.

Sorry, translation: Damo.

[goldfinger0303]

Lynching the BH over scum hunting is stupid. Damo could be reavered or dead come morning. You lose two a night now. The odds two bounties are collected in one night is insanely low. I'm no threat so long as I have only one. And given the small VT pool, we can *know* PRs have been reavered. After tonight it's what, 8 town vs 5 non-town? Lynching me just means that you guarantee scum will have two free NKs. And you'll be down to 6 vs 4. Not great odds.

[xorxes]

Can we keep track of all the actions that have happened? I'm starting to forget:

D1:
xorxes revealed as Captain
damo reads Flav as town
Town lynches Flav

N1:
peter shoots Tom's bulletproof
dargo watches xorxes, sees Jamiet visit
Jamiet protects xorxes
Superstition doesn't roleblock anyone
teacon redirects to rivera
rivera doesn't redirect
worcej kills rivera (directly or indirectly)
Kalel roleblocks ??????
Investigator investigates ?????
Reaver visits ??????

D2:

Town lynches Hosuke (Companion)
damo reads ND (VT)

N2:
ND claims to be new Companion (but says he didn't roleblock anyone).
dargo watches xorxes, noone visits
Jamiet protects and saves dargo
worcej fails to kill dargo
Kalel roleblocks damo
Investigator investigates ??????
Reaver visits ??????

D3:
Town lynches Kalel (Mafia Roleblocker)
damo roleblocked

N3:
ND roleblocks goldie
dargo watches himself, Tom protects him
Tom protects dargo
Jamiet protects someone who is not attacked
worcej kills bozo
Investigator investigates ??????
Reaver visits ??????

D4:
Town lynches worcej
damo reads ?????

Did I forget anything?

I did not include any commutes that Bunny may or may not have used, that's better to not discuss at the moment. And I don't remember if Tom said who he protected N1 and N2 (may be relevant to clear some people of having been reavered? Tom?)

[peterlund]

If our role blocker is not reavered, he will get his role block through what ever happens, since RBing is the 1st phase of the night. He may even get commuted in night phase 2 and still get to do a valid RB.

Adjudication Order:
1. Roleblocking actions
2. Commuting actions
3. Investigative actions
4. Killing actions
5. Healing actions

[BunnyGo]

If our role blocker is not reavered, he will get his role block through what ever happens, since RBing is the 1st phase of the night. He may even get commuted in night phase 2 and still get to do a valid RB.

Adjudication Order:
1. Roleblocking actions
2. Commuting actions
3. Investigative actions
4. Killing actions
5. Healing actions

This was changed. My commute happens whenever I want. It is unpreventable RB and saves even against the unsavable kill.

[xorxes]

Lynching the BH over scum hunting is stupid. Damo could be reavered or dead come morning. You lose two a night now. The odds two bounties are collected in one night is insanely low. I'm no threat so long as I have only one. And given the small VT pool, we can *know* PRs have been reavered. After tonight it's what, 8 town vs 5 non-town? Lynching me just means that you guarantee scum will have two free NKs. And you'll be down to 6 vs 4. Not great odds.

We are not deciding anything before we know the night results. You are our only confirmed non-town at this point, and you are RP, Assassin or BH. Hopefully damo will tell us something interesting before EON that narrows things down, and we can decide based on that.

[peterlund]

If our role blocker is not reavered, he will get his role block through what ever happens, since RBing is the 1st phase of the night. He may even get commuted in night phase 2 and still get to do a valid RB.

Adjudication Order:
1. Roleblocking actions
2. Commuting actions
3. Investigative actions
4. Killing actions
5. Healing actions

This was changed. My commute happens whenever I want. It is unpreventable RB and saves even against the unsavable kill.

"Whenever you want" you say. Then you should be able to instruct the GM to commute in EoN phase 2 if you wish, right?

[xorxes]

Just throwing this out there: I have a kill proof protect if we want to make sure River survives.

Do it if you still have two commutes left, otherwise wait. You will need a commute to verify yourself once Reavers start to kill. Obviously don't confirm or deny.

[peterlund]

If our role blocker is not reavered, he will get his role block through what ever happens, since RBing is the 1st phase of the night. He may even get commuted in night phase 2 and still get to do a valid RB.

Adjudication Order:
1. Roleblocking actions
2. Commuting actions
3. Investigative actions
4. Killing actions
5. Healing actions

This was changed. My commute happens whenever I want. It is unpreventable RB and saves even against the unsavable kill.

"Whenever you want" you say. Then you should be able to instruct the GM to commute in EoN phase 2 if you wish, right?

Or even better, after night phase 3 but before night phase 4?

[BunnyGo]

Just throwing this out there: I have a kill proof protect if we want to make sure River survives.

Do it if you still have two commutes left, otherwise wait. You will need a commute to verify yourself once Reavers start to kill. Obviously don't confirm or deny.

Don’t confirm or deny? Don’t we want our other saviors/protectors to not waste their efforts if I do commute?

I am not sure about the ability to insert my commute into the EON resolution. ##CALL GM. Can the commute be inserted into the EON resolution?

[BunnyGo]

Just throwing this out there: I have a kill proof protect if we want to make sure River survives.

Do it if you still have two commutes left, otherwise wait. You will need a commute to verify yourself once Reavers start to kill. Obviously don't confirm or deny.

Why save the commute? I’m a target for unstoppable kill just for getting rid of my save...better to turn me into VT, no? Especially if the theory of 3 reavers is correct.

[BunnyGo]

Still not confirming or denying anything. Just asking questions of our fearless leader.

[Jamiet99uk]

Can we keep track of all the actions that have happened? I'm starting to forget:

D1:
xorxes revealed as Captain
damo reads Flav as town
Town lynches Flav

N1:
peter shoots Tom's bulletproof
dargo watches xorxes, sees Jamiet visit
Jamiet protects xorxes
Superstition doesn't roleblock anyone
teacon redirects to rivera
rivera doesn't redirect
worcej kills rivera (directly or indirectly)
Kalel roleblocks ??????
Investigator investigates ?????
Reaver visits ??????

D2:

Town lynches Hosuke (Companion)
damo reads ND (VT)

N2:
ND claims to be new Companion (but says he didn't roleblock anyone).
dargo watches xorxes, noone visits
Jamiet protects and saves dargo
worcej fails to kill dargo
Kalel roleblocks damo
Investigator investigates ??????
Reaver visits ??????

D3:
Town lynches Kalel (Mafia Roleblocker)
damo roleblocked

N3:
ND roleblocks goldie
dargo watches himself, Tom protects him
Tom protects dargo
Jamiet protects someone who is not attacked
worcej kills bozo
Investigator investigates ??????
Reaver visits ??????

D4:
Town lynches worcej
damo reads ?????

Did I forget anything?

I did not include any commutes that Bunny may or may not have used, that's better to not discuss at the moment. And I don't remember if Tom said who he protected N1 and N2 (may be relevant to clear some people of having been reavered? Tom?)

This is accurate as regards my actions.

Naturally I'm not saying who my N3 action was directed to save.

[xorxes]

Still not confirming or denying anything. Just asking questions of our fearless leader.

It is better if you have a way to prove yourself after three Reavers have been confirmed. We don't have any confirmation of that yet.

[Tom Bombadil]

Can we keep track of all the actions that have happened? I'm starting to forget:

D1:
xorxes revealed as Captain
damo reads Flav as town
Town lynches Flav

N1:
peter shoots Tom's bulletproof
dargo watches xorxes, sees Jamiet visit
Jamiet protects xorxes
Superstition doesn't roleblock anyone
teacon redirects to rivera
rivera doesn't redirect
worcej kills rivera (directly or indirectly)
Kalel roleblocks ??????
Investigator investigates ?????
Reaver visits ??????

D2:

Town lynches Hosuke (Companion)
damo reads ND (VT)

N2:
ND claims to be new Companion (but says he didn't roleblock anyone).
dargo watches xorxes, noone visits
Jamiet protects and saves dargo
worcej fails to kill dargo
Kalel roleblocks damo
Investigator investigates ??????
Reaver visits ??????

D3:
Town lynches Kalel (Mafia Roleblocker)
damo roleblocked

N3:
ND roleblocks goldie
dargo watches himself, Tom protects him
Tom protects dargo
Jamiet protects someone who is not attacked
worcej kills bozo
Investigator investigates ??????
Reaver visits ??????

D4:
Town lynches worcej
damo reads ?????

Did I forget anything?

I did not include any commutes that Bunny may or may not have used, that's better to not discuss at the moment. And I don't remember if Tom said who he protected N1 and N2 (may be relevant to clear some people of having been reavered? Tom?)

I protected bozo N1
I protected damo N2

[xorxes]

Can we keep track of all the actions that have happened? I'm starting to forget:

D1:
xorxes revealed as Captain
damo reads Flav as town
Town lynches Flav

N1:
peter shoots Tom's bulletproof
dargo watches xorxes, sees Jamiet visit
Jamiet protects xorxes
Superstition doesn't roleblock anyone
teacon redirects to rivera
rivera doesn't redirect
worcej kills rivera (directly or indirectly)
Kalel roleblocks ??????
Investigator investigates ?????
Reaver visits ??????

D2:

Town lynches Hosuke (Companion)
damo reads ND (VT)

N2:
ND claims to be new Companion (but says he didn't roleblock anyone).
dargo watches xorxes, noone visits
Jamiet protects and saves dargo
worcej fails to kill dargo
Kalel roleblocks damo
Investigator investigates ??????
Reaver visits ??????

D3:
Town lynches Kalel (Mafia Roleblocker)
damo roleblocked

N3:
ND roleblocks goldie
dargo watches himself, Tom protects him
Tom protects dargo
Jamiet protects someone who is not attacked
worcej kills bozo
Investigator investigates ??????
Reaver visits ??????

D4:
Town lynches worcej
damo reads ?????

Did I forget anything?

I did not include any commutes that Bunny may or may not have used, that's better to not discuss at the moment. And I don't remember if Tom said who he protected N1 and N2 (may be relevant to clear some people of having been reavered? Tom?)

I protected bozo N1
I protected damo N2

That's good. damo less likely to have been recruited then.

[xorxes]

I protected bozo N1
I protected damo N2

That's good. damo less likely to have been recruited then.

Why protect a VT claimant N1?

[BunnyGo]

Can we keep track of all the actions that have happened? I'm starting to forget:

D1:
xorxes revealed as Captain
damo reads Flav as town
Town lynches Flav

N1:
peter shoots Tom's bulletproof
dargo watches xorxes, sees Jamiet visit
Jamiet protects xorxes
Superstition doesn't roleblock anyone
teacon redirects to rivera
rivera doesn't redirect
worcej kills rivera (directly or indirectly)
Kalel roleblocks ??????
Investigator investigates ?????
Reaver visits ??????

D2:

Town lynches Hosuke (Companion)
damo reads ND (VT)

N2:
ND claims to be new Companion (but says he didn't roleblock anyone).
dargo watches xorxes, noone visits
Jamiet protects and saves dargo
worcej fails to kill dargo
Kalel roleblocks damo
Investigator investigates ??????
Reaver visits ??????

D3:
Town lynches Kalel (Mafia Roleblocker)
damo roleblocked

N3:
ND roleblocks goldie
dargo watches himself, Tom protects him
Tom protects dargo
Jamiet protects someone who is not attacked
worcej kills bozo
Investigator investigates ??????
Reaver visits ??????

D4:
Town lynches worcej
damo reads ?????

Did I forget anything?

I did not include any commutes that Bunny may or may not have used, that's better to not discuss at the moment. And I don't remember if Tom said who he protected N1 and N2 (may be relevant to clear some people of having been reavered? Tom?)

I protected bozo N1
I protected damo N2

That's good. damo less likely to have been recruited then.

Except night 1? And maybe 3?

I’ll save at least 1 commute. But I make no guarantees one way or the other about my ability to save tonight (and if I do...it takes 2 nights before I save again).

If I do save tonight, any suggestions?