Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

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##VOTE Brainbomb

Why?????????

Jealous?

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh you guys are no fun.
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Jamie is not bothered that people assume he has chemistry with bomb

[brainbomb]

Jamie is not bothered that people assume he has chemistry with bomb

I mean we fucked that one time.

[brainbomb]

you shouldve seen what a mafia game was like when it was me, jamie, wjessop

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie is not bothered that people assume he has chemistry with bomb

I mean we fucked that one time.

Remind me never to get that drunk again. Your Patrick Swayze get-up was very convincing after the 13th beer.

[xorxes]

You are restating the same benefits I stated above. Of the six roles that could be disproven (masons, vig, votestealer, inno child, bulletproof), five have already been claimed: two are proved town, two will soon be proved town, one will have to wait but I know is town, and the last one can no longer be proven, and they will have to make a good case on why they didn't try to prove themselves if they ever claim.

So the upside of your plan, given what we now know, would have been very low.

The downside of your plan would have been that we would not have the hope of benefitting from the few remaining roles that could still be useful (doctor, tracker, commuter, oracle, absorber).

So the way the roles were actually distributed, with town having most of the provable roles, your plan would have been a major disaster, don't you agree?

That depends on whether Percy, damo, Chaqa, or you are scum using fake claims to avoid getting lynched.

No it doesn't. Percy's, damo's and Chaqa's roles are not among the directly provable. They have no bearing on what I'm saying.

Let's try again.

Plan A- Everyone has to claim their role D1.

Plan B- Masons, Vig, Votestealer, Inno Child, Bulletproof have to claim their role D1, everyone else doesn't.

Which plan do you think is better? Do you see any benefits of Plan A that Plan B doesn't have? Do you see any benefits of Plan B that Plan A doesn't have?

[xorxes]

I'll start the smokescreen reveal.

If I'm Divine Presence, I targeted damo.

Oh, I see.

If I'm Divine Presence, I targeted myself.

Seriously?

If Jamiet is scum, Divine Presence is one of their fake claims.

If Jamiet is town, he is being anti-town by ruining EP's test (which also has its downside but I will get into that later).

If Jamiet is town *and* the Divine Presence, he is a complete idiot.

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh, I see.

If I'm Divine Presence, I targeted myself.

Seriously?

If Jamiet is scum, Divine Presence is one of their fake claims.

If Jamiet is town, he is being anti-town by ruining EP's test (which also has its downside but I will get into that later).

If Jamiet is town *and* the Divine Presence, he is a complete idiot.

You use your powers in your way, and I'll use my powers in mine. Stop being so negative. You've done enough damage in this game already.

[xorxes]

Oh, I see.

If I'm Divine Presence, I targeted myself.

Seriously?

Yes. Exactly what I would do. The DP's only power is to turn its target Vanilla. The DP is *forced* to act N1. On N1 I frankly had few hard scumreads and there would be at least as much risk of disabling a useful town PR as hitting a scum.

The problem with town powers that have to be used early is that they have a high risk of harming town. Just look at Rdr's gunshot.

Removing a townie's power is not a complete waste, it may help to prove that you really are the DP and not fakeclaiming DP.

[xorxes]

damo: claimed to avoid getting shot
Percy: claimed to avoid getting lynched
Chaqa: claimed to avoid getting lynched
xorxes: claimed in case he was janitored

There is only one role left that matches damo's claims, and it is unverifiable. Percy's claim can only be verified D6 if the roleblocker is gone.
Chaqa's claim is unverifiable.
xorxes could be verified D7.

Unless something changes, we have 2 mislynches left, so we could lose the game by D5.

Unless I'm missing something, there are two roles left that match damo's claims.

More about all this once I have caught up in case there's more claims I need to take into account.

[Jamiet99uk]

Unless I'm missing something, there are two roles left that match damo's claims.

There are, but you claimed one of them.

[Chaqa]

I hadn't put much thought into the Masons proving themselves, but is there any way we can realistically ever believe them? Like, we need something they would HAVE to talk about separately, but we would also need to know the true answer...

I think Fox and Hosuke are the masons, but how can we ever know for sure?

There are fairly easy ways to verify the masons. For example, have brainbomb post a long series of numbers and/or letters. Then tell the masons to pick a group of 20 or so from the middle, and have one post the sequence and the other post the sequence in reverse order at the same time.

But they have to post at the same time.

[xorxes]

damo: claimed to avoid getting shot
Percy: claimed to avoid getting lynched
Chaqa: claimed to avoid getting lynched
xorxes: claimed in case he was janitored

There is only one role left that matches damo's claims, and it is unverifiable. Percy's claim can only be verified D6 if the roleblocker is gone.
Chaqa's claim is unverifiable.
xorxes could be verified D7.

Unless something changes, we have 2 mislynches left, so we could lose the game by D5.

Bozo your comment about me implies you have information than I do. This is not AI of itself but more likely scum than town. Did you townslip, scumslip or make a mistake.

Interesting point. I hadn't thought of that.

[xorxes]

I actually amnot fully on board with the mason-claims.

Try this on:
Itso claims by accident (responding, he says, to the massclaim thing.) It's a mistake, and his nervousness shows in his subsequent posts.

The scum team meats later... and decides to make use of it. First, to save Itso, and next to draw out the real mafia.

Why draw out the real mafia? Because they have a checklist of who they think is who. Real Mafia claimants can be checked off their list.

So they decide to offer up Foxy. No real Mason claimants have crumbed. (I don't know why Foxy, yet... it's the weakest part of my theory, atm) He claims to be the other mason.

They paint a picture of missed appointments, time zones, and struggles to connect. THIS is what red flags, for me. It's a QT. They don't have to 'meet up.' You write, "Hi..."

STILL no claimants (which is good, btw... if you, too, are a mason claimant, do NOT claim.) So they are pressed to come up with a plan during D3.

They do.

But it doesn't really prove it. It, too, can be crumbed, hinted, figured out...

And maybe the horse will learn to sing.

If this tinfoil hat is correct, it developed because itso slipped... and the scumteam tried to salvage and maybe draw out some more claims.

I can't make heads or tails of this post.

[xorxes]

if rivera dies instead of me I will of course comply with whatever the procedure is that allegedly clears them. just know that I will take whatever looks like a conclusion with a grain of salt. what youre describing sounds like you could easily just set up a discord with each other and fake the whole thing without anyone being able to prove it

That would be cheating, wouldn't it? We all play here on the assumption that nobody cheats.

[Jamiet99uk]

I actually amnot fully on board with the mason-claims.

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The scum team meats later... and decides to make use of it. First, to save Itso, and next to draw out the real mafia.

Why draw out the real mafia? Because they have a checklist of who they think is who. Real Mafia claimants can be checked off their list.

What is Dargorygel talking about here?

"Draw out the Mafia" ???

Erm, Darg, mate, I think you need to stop drinking. Let me reveal some information to you.... the scum team already know who the real mafia are!!!

[xorxes]

@bozo you say only 1 role fits my claims. Are you sure?

I suppose it could be 2 depending on your interpretation of what counts as "later in the game".

What could it mean other than "some time after the current phase"?

Why is everyone being so weird this game? (dargo, brain and bozo currently.)

[Jamiet99uk]

(I thought for a second Dargorygel might mean "draw out the real Masons" - But that doesn't make any sense either, because if "Mason" is one of the roles on the Mafia fakeclaim list, then there aren't any "real" Masons, just two fake ones)

I really need Dargorygel to explain what on earth he is talking about.

[dargorygel]

What is Dargorygel talking about here?

"Draw out the Mafia" ???

Erm, Darg, mate, I think you need to stop drinking. Let me reveal some information to you.... the scum team already know who the real mafia are!!!
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Yeah... writing before coffee....
Drawing out the real masons not drawing out the real mafia.