Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[Percy Williams]

Percy, bozo and xorxes feel town on a quick sniff

Has Percy ever been scum?

No, don't think so

at least, not on this site

right, Percival

YES...
There is No Way I am the Percy Williams on a different site called MU...
That is crazy talk!

[e.m.c^42]

tentative smol townlean on Vapor for activity and 'reads'...so early, lmao

Why am I the leading wagon, again? :d

It seems like just placeholders to make it look like they're doing something

[e.m.c^42]

but again, not that I mind xD

[worcej]

tentative smol townlean on Vapor for activity and 'reads'...so early, lmao

Why am I the leading wagon, again? :d

It seems like just placeholders to make it look like they're doing something

That is probably true, but who do you think was the most artificial in their push on you?

[Nephthys]

VOTE COUNT 1.1

e.m.c^42 (5) e.m.c^42, Foxcastle, foodcoats, EspressoPatronum,xorxes
Percy Williams (1) dargorygel
brainbomb (1) flash2015
worcej (1) Vaporwave
EspressoPatronum (1) brainbomb

EMC is currently set to removed from existence

41 hours 13 minutes remain in D1

[bozotheclown]

What roles do they have to kill? No town roles are so powerful that it is obvious.

Chimp – 1-shot vig
3. Dog – Tracker (turn 2/3)
4. Dugong – Mason
5. Eagle – Commuter (odd turns from 3)
6. Albatross – Lover
7. Octopus – Vote stealer (single use)
8. Ring Tailed Lemur – Doctor (turns 4+)
9. Crayfish – bulletproof (turn 1)
10. Gerrothorax – Jailer (turn 2,5,9)
11. Woolly Mammoth – Inno child (turn 7+)
14. Meerkat – Watcher (turn 3/4)
18. Anglerfish - Oracle
19. Llama – Mason
20. Stick Insect – 1 Use role cop

I would argue that if scum knew who was each of these it would be like going to an all you can eat chinese buffet. These are all pretty damn good roles.

You'r not bothering to think much, are you?

Let's see:

Killing Lover would be an absolute waste for them.
Killing Oracle would be counterproductive.
Killing Masons or Inno Child is not very different than killing a VT, same for the Vig if thery shoot day 1.

Jailer and Doctor they just want to know who they are so they can roleblock them if necessary. Bulletproof they just want to avoid killing day 1 and Commuter they want to know when they can kill them.

The ones they really want to kill are Tracker, Watcher and Cop, and Vote stealer to a much lesser extent. So the mass claim would help them get rid of any of those that are in play. That's the con, we would be giving away any investigative power.

The advantage would be that their Janitor becomes useless, and they can't fakeclaim any role that can be disproven.

I think a mass claim is worth losing the tracker, watcher, and cop, especially since there is a chance one or more of these roles do not exist and the scum can claim them.

Also, with only 6 unassigned town roles, the scum will be force to fake claim roles that can be disproven if those are the unassigned roles.

[bozotheclown]

That being said, not sure why there's a benefit to claiming roles?

Did you read the posts where I pointed out some of the benefits?

[bozotheclown]

For some reason, (don't take this too seriously), this reminds me of that game a bit back when bozo was scum and did the doc thing in early game.

What is the "doc thing"?

[bozotheclown]

I'm opposed to mass claim.

I don't think it will happen anyway, and I think if a partial massclaim happened, that'd be worse for exposing a bunch of information that scum could use while providing sufficient ambiguity/uncertainty for them to hide behind. And I think that keeping scum guessing is a better strategy than putting all the cards on the table, at which point they can build a counterstrategy to whatever plan we come up with.

The only benefit I see is that if it happened today before they can communicate, a scum might slip. Or if the scumteam all has to keep 2 roles straight, they might slip later. But again, that's only possible if it's a complete mass claim, and it's only a chance that it will happen (or that town will notice).

The scum already know more than town about what town roles exist. We can prevent them from using this to their advantage if we claim our roles.

Wait... you're telling me, that right now the Mafia knows more about which Town roles exist, (Which should all be in the OP) and that claiming our roles will negate this advantage (despite the fact they have fake claims available [which I'm really not sure what that is/ how it works entirely] to only add confusion into a mass claim while getting information from Town). Put me on the opposed list.

Yes, the mafia know more about the assigned town roles, because they know 5 possible town roles that are not assigned. This means the mafia know the 15 town roles come from a pool of 16 possible roles, while the town members know the 15 town roles come from a pool of 21 possible roles. Mass claiming roles negates some of this advantage because some of the roles can be proven or disproven, so we can use this once all scum are locked into a fake role.

The bottom line is that it is a significant detriment to the mafia to be forced to lock each scum into one fake town role, as opposed to any scum being able to claim a role from the fake claim list at any time it is beneficial.

[brainbomb]

bozo when your plan to massclaim inevitably falls apart, because, its obvious it will.

who will you be voting and why?
who is absolutely town so far and why?

[bozotheclown]

A few people have given opinions on the idea of mass claiming roles, but I would like to ask everyone to please enter a vote by adding your name and reporting the following:

support mass claim: bozo
oppose mass claim: brainbomb

[flash2015]

want more flash posts,

gimme flash

Don't worry. I am here. Not much to keep track of yet.

[bozotheclown]

bozo when your plan to massclaim inevitably falls apart, because, its obvious it will.

who will you be voting and why?
who is absolutely town so far and why?

I do not have answers to those questions yet, and I think we can pull off a mass claim.

[bozotheclown]

Also doesnt that give scum exactly the roles they know they gotta kill?

What roles do they have to kill? No town roles are so powerful that it is obvious.

Chimp – 1-shot vig
3. Dog – Tracker (turn 2/3)
4. Dugong – Mason
5. Eagle – Commuter (odd turns from 3)
6. Albatross – Lover
7. Octopus – Vote stealer (single use)
8. Ring Tailed Lemur – Doctor (turns 4+)
9. Crayfish – bulletproof (turn 1)
10. Gerrothorax – Jailer (turn 2,5,9)
11. Woolly Mammoth – Inno child (turn 7+)
14. Meerkat – Watcher (turn 3/4)
18. Anglerfish - Oracle
19. Llama – Mason
20. Stick Insect – 1 Use role cop

I would argue that if scum knew who was each of these it would be like going to an all you can eat chinese buffet. These are all pretty damn good roles.

It would take 14 days for scum to kill off all these roles, if they are all assigned to town. If you think they all have equal value, that is a reason to support a mass claim.

[brainbomb]

Yea this is mafia motherfucker. this isnt gofundme bullshit

[bozotheclown]

If I’m mafia I always make a case for killing brainbomb just so there’s half as many posts in the damn thread. Someday I’ll be vigilante so I can just pop him :)

Do you have a position on mass claiming roles?

I think it would be very unwise as it would give Mafia an idea who to target to get rid of important town roles.

Yes, that is the one negative to mass claiming, but have you considered all of the benefits?

[EspressoPatronum]

A few people have given opinions on the idea of mass claiming roles, but I would like to ask everyone to please enter a vote by adding your name and reporting the following:

support mass claim: bozo
oppose mass claim: brainbomb, EP

[brainbomb]

bozo you have 30 minutes to vote someone

[Percy Williams]

The scum already know more than town about what town roles exist. We can prevent them from using this to their advantage if we claim our roles.

Wait... you're telling me, that right now the Mafia knows more about which Town roles exist, (Which should all be in the OP) and that claiming our roles will negate this advantage (despite the fact they have fake claims available [which I'm really not sure what that is/ how it works entirely] to only add confusion into a mass claim while getting information from Town). Put me on the opposed list.

What he is implying is that the town will gain more information by claiming while also giving mafia all the information.

Tit for tat kinda thing, instead more like tit for game if we do it.

I understand, but disagree. The mafia can just fakeclaim the Vt roles, and roles that can't prove themselves yet (like the stick bug, which is a cop around turn four or something), so we're doing five coin flips, while the Mafia team now knows exactly who to kill to ensure that they are coin flip probabilities. This also redefines the game in a way I consider to be less fun, and I want future crazy setups like this.

[brainbomb]

https://youtu.be/XyxvX1N9Tdg


watch this and replace 'clown college' with 'massclaim'

and you get bozo