Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[rdrivera2005]

Could you explain why? Why scum EP claim VT and give town et the chance to claim? It only make some sense if both are scum.

No, scum EP only. He wants et to claim so either he’s sacrificing himself for scum team to kill PR or he wants another PR to CC so that et can die and another PR is up for NK

Exactly.

EP replaces TrPrado in my scumteam guess lol

How surprisingly Damo and Prado think alike.....

[Durga]

##unvote idk

[damo666]

Why would a VT EP encourage et to claim?

If et town claims (irrelevant if true or not) EP is lynched and et presumably NKd.

If et is scum and claims EP still gets lynched and et escapes until the real PR cc thus exposing their identity.

How can this be good play from vt EP?

I suppose it could bad vt play from EP but then he deserves to be lynched imo.

[damo666]

No, scum EP only. He wants et to claim so either he’s sacrificing himself for scum team to kill PR or he wants another PR to CC so that et can die and another PR is up for NK

Exactly.

EP replaces TrPrado in my scumteam guess lol

How surprisingly Damo and Prado think alike.....

It could be scum v scum but then it hardly matters does it?

[TrPrado]

Could you explain why? Why scum EP claim VT and give town et the chance to claim? It only make some sense if both are scum.

No, scum EP only. He wants et to claim so either he’s sacrificing himself for scum team to kill PR or he wants another PR to CC so that et can die and another PR is up for NK

You are assuming et will fake claim as town which is a really stupid option in this case and that our PRs are complete morons to counter claim in this situation.
He could be playing a trick to look innocent, but it's a really risky one. It's a lot easier to stay quiet and claim PR later if he want to catch a PR.

No, I’m assuming Espresso is trying to get something to happen because scum in this situation wouldn’t feel they have much to lose.

[rdrivera2005]

Why would a VT EP encourage et to claim?

If et town claims (irrelevant if true or not) EP is lynched and et presumably NKd.

If et is scum and claims EP still gets lynched and et escapes until the real PR cc thus exposing their identity.

How can this be good play from vt EP?

I suppose it could bad vt play from EP but then he deserves to be lynched imo.

I didn't say it's good play, in fact it's probably not, but I still don't see why it's scummy. It's even worst play as scum as he could have just claimed himself.

And your last comment is really scummy to me. Which town mindset make you say bad town players deserves to be lynched?

[Tom Bombadil]

Why would a VT EP encourage et to claim?

If et town claims (irrelevant if true or not) EP is lynched and et presumably NKd.

If et is scum and claims EP still gets lynched and et escapes until the real PR cc thus exposing their identity.

How can this be good play from vt EP?

I suppose it could bad vt play from EP but then he deserves to be lynched imo.

Says the guy voting to end....glass houses and such.

[damo666]

Why would a VT EP encourage et to claim?

If et town claims (irrelevant if true or not) EP is lynched and et presumably NKd.

If et is scum and claims EP still gets lynched and et escapes until the real PR cc thus exposing their identity.

How can this be good play from vt EP?

I suppose it could bad vt play from EP but then he deserves to be lynched imo.

I didn't say it's good play, in fact it's probably not, but I still don't see why it's scummy. It's even worst play as scum as he could have just claimed himself.

And your last comment is really scummy to me. Which town mindset make you say bad town players deserves to be lynched?

In this artificial 1v1 set up where the most likely situation is Town v Town then yes.

[damo666]

Why would a VT EP encourage et to claim?

If et town claims (irrelevant if true or not) EP is lynched and et presumably NKd.

If et is scum and claims EP still gets lynched and et escapes until the real PR cc thus exposing their identity.

How can this be good play from vt EP?

I suppose it could bad vt play from EP but then he deserves to be lynched imo.

Says the guy voting to end....glass houses and such.

You're suggesting End is wrong here? It's 1v1. The End wouldn't come into play until sufficient votes. I don't see what's wrong with it.

[Squigs44]

##vote et

I literally don't understand any of his posts.

With EP I can follow most of his reasoning and see where a townie thinks those things even if I disagree with some of it. I agree with rdr that EP asking for a claim from et could come from either alignment.

[Tom Bombadil]

Why would a VT EP encourage et to claim?

If et town claims (irrelevant if true or not) EP is lynched and et presumably NKd.

If et is scum and claims EP still gets lynched and et escapes until the real PR cc thus exposing their identity.

How can this be good play from vt EP?

I suppose it could bad vt play from EP but then he deserves to be lynched imo.

Says the guy voting to end....glass houses and such.

You're suggesting End is wrong here? It's 1v1. The End wouldn't come into play until sufficient votes. I don't see what's wrong with it.

If it ends before several people chime in we learn nothing about them.

[damo666]

Oh alright then ##UNEND while it's evenly balanced.

I must say that I think it's weird that those not having voted by the Judge call cannot vote no lynch whereas those having already voted can just sit back and not vote effectively voting for no lynch.


Either no lynch should be an option or everybody should have to vote for one of the two.

[Durga]

##vote et

I literally don't understand any of his posts.

With EP I can follow most of his reasoning and see where a townie thinks those things even if I disagree with some of it. I agree with rdr that EP asking for a claim from et could come from either alignment.

He's pretty easy to follow for the most part so I don't understand this take. Why don't you ask him to clarify if you don't understand it?

[Durga]

Oh alright then ##UNEND while it's evenly balanced.

I must say that I think it's weird that those not having voted by the Judge call cannot vote no lynch whereas those having already voted can just sit back and not vote effectively voting for no lynch.


Either no lynch should be an option or everybody should have to vote for one of the two.

I agree with this.

[Foxcastle]

Oh alright then ##UNEND while it's evenly balanced.

I must say that I think it's weird that those not having voted by the Judge call cannot vote no lynch whereas those having already voted can just sit back and not vote effectively voting for no lynch.


Either no lynch should be an option or everybody should have to vote for one of the two.

I agree with this.

Yeah, but then somebody who meets the post/voting requirements and then can't be around the final 24 hours is punished for not abiding by the rules they didn't know where going to be in effect. I agree with the sentiment that it would be better to force everyone to vote, but I just don't think you can do that fairly.

[worcej]

Oh alright then ##UNEND while it's evenly balanced.

I must say that I think it's weird that those not having voted by the Judge call cannot vote no lynch whereas those having already voted can just sit back and not vote effectively voting for no lynch.


Either no lynch should be an option or everybody should have to vote for one of the two.

I agree with this.

##GM Note:
This will be my final post on the Judge ability and how I have employed it. Several people have expressed their opinion publicly and privately, so here is an official statement.

The point was to not punish people who have already contributed and satisfied the posting and voting requirements before the Judge ability was used because they are actively participating in the game. If they want to not have their vote count by leaving their vote where it is, so be it. If they want it to count- they can change their vote.

If you had yet to vote before the ability was launched, you have now been told you only have two options, so you must vote one of those options to meet your participation requirement. Voting outside of those options is gaming the Judge ability and that is against the spirit of the game.

[et]

Why would a VT EP encourage et to claim?

If et town claims (irrelevant if true or not) EP is lynched and et presumably NKd.

If et is scum and claims EP still gets lynched and et escapes until the real PR cc thus exposing their identity.

How can this be good play from vt EP?

I suppose it could bad vt play from EP but then he deserves to be lynched imo.

I didn't say it's good play, in fact it's probably not, but I still don't see why it's scummy. It's even worst play as scum as he could have just claimed himself.

And your last comment is really scummy to me. Which town mindset make you say bad town players deserves to be lynched?

Do you think claiming VT is probably not good play?
But you said that
'His(et's) reaction to the claim thing is interesting. He keep his options open (maybe waiting for Secretary to say something? I know it´s speculation, but can´t not to think about this).'
Why do you think not claiming is interesting?
Did you change thought?

[Durga]

GM's should only comment on what's going on in the game when called with ##Call GM

[damo666]

Oh alright then ##UNEND while it's evenly balanced.

I must say that I think it's weird that those not having voted by the Judge call cannot vote no lynch whereas those having already voted can just sit back and not vote effectively voting for no lynch.


Either no lynch should be an option or everybody should have to vote for one of the two.

I agree with this.

Yeah, but then somebody who meets the post/voting requirements and then can't be around the final 24 hours is punished for not abiding by the rules they didn't know where going to be in effect. I agree with the sentiment that it would be better to force everyone to vote, but I just don't think you can do that fairly.

Yeah prob a bit unfair to change the rules midstream but it seems a bit unfair that no lynch is not possible. Could try and tie it I suppose. Anyway GMs have made their decision. I just wanted to moan.

[et]

##VOTE Espresso.
I vote Espresso.
Because I am forced to do so.