MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[LordQuas]

Damo666 I didn’t like his early greetings with Jamiet. And his short bursty posts through most of day 1 feel to me like he is trying to post for postings’ sake. Thus my gut feeling vote at the end of day 1… scum.
Dargorygel townie wishing he was desperado again.
e.m.c^42 what I expect from Einstein. Lots of posts that seem to interact but don’t seem to go anywhere. Thinks out loud. Moved from slight scum to null on re-read.
Ezio I voted for Ezio most of the day because I believed him. When he recanted, I changed my vote, but didn’t have a lot of solid reason to vote for anyone else. Upon reading again, I disliked his unclaim. Wish I had stayed on him. He could have been doing his horse and pony show as scum or town. I assumed town.
MoscowFleet I am always suspicious of MF. His votes at the end look like it might be a vote on Ike to LOOK like he’s voting on Ike… and a switch to Damo for a safe vote IF AND ONLY IF he is scum. But he sounds like MF here, if a bit quieter and shy. Null to town.
rdrivera2005 His meta is always all over the place. Here I found him disengaged and bored. But on second read, he had conversations with bo, bozo, and vecna. Slight town.
,xorxes No brilliant Poirot solves so far… but the days are young. Seems like xorxes. Null.

I really dislike most of these reads, but they're all worth noting, damo for obv reasons, darg I posted abt already, but he talks about how he regrets unvoting Ezio, and it feels like he's trying to backpeddle after bo_'s comments about how we shouldn't have been convinced so easily with Ezio's redaction, but he also never concludes with a read on Ezio just that "he assumed he was town" which raises some eyebrows to say the least. He's saying he wants to lynch Ezio but doesn't have a read on him. He's also townreading bo_ and I'm almost positive he's trying a pocket. MF read also includes damo and EoD regardings so I'm pretty sure that him forgetting about damo being dead was actually NAI as a result. Rd is getting slight town because "he had conversations with bo, bozo, and vecna," which is the lamest excuse for a TMI read I've ever seen, scum talk with people too. Xorxes read concludes with "seems like xorxes" and then null which feels like a desync, if a player feels like themselves then leaving them at null rather then slight town is just, not what I would expect. Also I don't like when players are like "oh this player hasn't had an amazing read yet guys, be wary of them" that always feels like a scum trying to set up for a lynch two days from now on a well respected player in case they haven't found a scum yet

[rdrivera2005]

Yeah that's 100% fake from Dargorygel. He's just massively scumslipped there.

I don't know if I would quantify that as a scum slip, town could easily make that mistake, but uh...

So darg referred to himself in the third person and made a read on himself, I'm thinking he may have copied that from a scum buddy

I think it was meant to be a joke. The read on Damo is bizarre.

[LordQuas]

Yeah that's 100% fake from Dargorygel. He's just massively scumslipped there.

I don't know if I would quantify that as a scum slip, town could easily make that mistake, but uh...

So darg referred to himself in the third person and made a read on himself, I'm thinking he may have copied that from a scum buddy

I think it was meant to be a joke. The read on Damo is bizarre.

yeah I guess, but it really didn't feel like a joke to me

also I was hoping that if it was that case then darg would freeze up and not know what to say

[Jamiet99uk]

Yeah that's 100% fake from Dargorygel. He's just massively scumslipped there.

I don't know if I would quantify that as a scum slip, town could easily make that mistake, but uh...

So darg referred to himself in the third person and made a read on himself, I'm thinking he may have copied that from a scum buddy

I think it was meant to be a joke. The read on Damo is bizarre.

Is this sarcasm?

[rdrivera2005]

I don't know if I would quantify that as a scum slip, town could easily make that mistake, but uh...

So darg referred to himself in the third person and made a read on himself, I'm thinking he may have copied that from a scum buddy

I think it was meant to be a joke. The read on Damo is bizarre.

Is this sarcasm?

No.

[LordQuas]

I think it was meant to be a joke. The read on Damo is bizarre.

Is this sarcasm?

No.

Is this loss?

[bozotheclown]

I think Jamie made a good point that using the Alien Ray Gun on anyone we do not know is scum or alien being more harmful to town than helpful. Vecna also made a good point about the Item Thief.

I think that if Ezio really does have the Alien Ray Gun, the best use of it would be to prove he is town by shooting himself with it tonight to keep it from falling into scum hands.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think Jamie made a good point that using the Alien Ray Gun on anyone we do not know is scum or alien being more harmful to town than helpful. Vecna also made a good point about the Item Thief.

I think that if Ezio really does have the Alien Ray Gun, the best use of it would be to prove he is town by shooting himself with it tonight to keep it from falling into scum hands.

You should indicate a vote for Ezio then, as he requested.

[bozotheclown]

Still not liking Neph. I have never seen him play this way, and it looks to me like he is trying to just fly under the radar.

That's fair, but he's flown enough under the radar he's not gonna be the lynch today.

Today should be between me/Ike/Damo.

I wonder what other genius predicted those three wagons

I still think you lead town to town/town/town wagons.

[bozotheclown]

I think Jamie made a good point that using the Alien Ray Gun on anyone we do not know is scum or alien being more harmful to town than helpful. Vecna also made a good point about the Item Thief.

I think that if Ezio really does have the Alien Ray Gun, the best use of it would be to prove he is town by shooting himself with it tonight to keep it from falling into scum hands.

You should indicate a vote for Ezio then, as he requested.

$$SHOOT Ezio

[rdrivera2005]

Is this sarcasm?

No.

Is this loss?

What?

[Jamiet99uk]

No.

Is this loss?

What?

Is this confusion?

[Jamiet99uk]

** A SHOT RINGS OUT **

[RagingIke297]

** A SHOT RINGS OUT **

I forget, did we decide impersonating GMs was against the rules?

[Jamiet99uk]

** A SHOT RINGS OUT **

I forget, did we decide impersonating GMs was against the rules?

Is this sarcasm?

[bo_sox48]

Also, emotional about the lynch Bo? I said they’re both horrible w2agons, and that’s about it. I tried to push Jamie, I actually got a few votes, but was forced to switch because there was no traction, go reread. Fucking Ezio almost got lynched and we were trying to prevent that.

You clearly indicated that they were horrible wagons and were generally deploring their existence in the last 10 minutes of the day. You can pick away at the verbiage I chose all day long, but I would say that the relative shift over a 12-18 minute timespan from when you were "indifferent" to lynches that weren't Jamie to when you decided that you actually cared was significant.

Your push on Jamie was minimal, and the same could be said for the others that jumped on Jamie. There was reason to try, and yet once he had three votes nobody was trying anymore.

Why were you trying to prevent Ezio from getting lynched? Obviously, I agree with the premise, but I'd still like to know your personal rationale.

I'm sorry @bo, I was a dick. No excuse

Are you sorry because you were a dick or are you sorry because I townread you?

Why would you want to lynch the guy whose role we already know on D1? That gives scum the opportunity to do jack fucking shit instead of actually making them do meaningful things.

Its a lot harder to blend for scum on later days though, and the alien will need to be lynched somewhat early regardless. Why does it matter exactly what day scum just get to "vote the alien"?

Because on D2 and beyond we at least have something to off of (i.e. D1, and all the other days we didn’t pile on someone), whereas if we do that on D1 we have nothing for D2. It is unquestionably better to have something on D2 than to have nothing on D2, whereas on the other days the information we have has added up cumulatively so it is less and less of an impediment to us to sacrifice a day worth of information as time goes on.

This is weird. Rdrivera and Bozo are the ones obvtowning this game.

Rdrivera is not quite there yet for me, but im curious to know what makes you say this.

Agree on Bozo

What makes you agree on bozo?

I assume that by the time I have read through the night that Squigs will have answered your ask of him, but if not, I’d like to know what he’s looking at too.

Concerning LQ
Not only does he seem more high strung... but he responds to every glance with defensive outbursts... kind of like I do when I am scum (or PR) and want to be unnoticed. While I might be reading my brain into him... I don't like it.

How did you manage to make a point about someone else exclusively about you, and why is your point about someone else that you made about yourself trying to explain meta that you aren't following in this game?

Im so confused by the sudden townlean again on LQ here? Do I interpret it correctly that this vote analysis made you change your mind? My impression of the last page was that youre scumreading him quite badly

My scumread of him was based on a post that stuck out to me in the moment. Upon rereading the entire sequence in its full context, which is what you snipped out of my original quote, it became pretty apparent to me that his wishy-washiness about dropping off the Ezio train was more him being rushed in a fast paced environment and thinking things through in the moment as opposed to him trying to sneak his vote elsewhere with flimsy reasoning.

FWIW - my scum pool is currently down to focusing on thamrick, Lord, and Ike for moving off of Ezio in the EOD spree because scum would not mind saving the alien lynch for another day.

a) You believe that Ezio is the alien? Why?
b) Who else moved off of Ezio? I made a nice post that should help you out with this conundrum.
c) What's the difference between what thamrick, LordQuas, and Ike did as opposed to any of those others that makes them stick out to you?

Neph has a completely distinct type of interacting compared to his previous game where he randed scum. There he used charm and plenty of cutesy speech inserted in his walls

Now he's a different guy, I think he's experimenting with playstyles thus making it difficult to have him lean in a specific direction

Why this change, Neph?

He also has a completely different style of when he was town. I made a post on why I think this points to scum Neph rather than town Neph.

Can you refer me to it?

I think that if Ezio really does have the Alien Ray Gun, the best use of it would be to prove he is town by shooting himself with it tonight to keep it from falling into scum hands.

This is an interesting idea.

[rdrivera2005]

Is this loss?

What?

Is this confusion?

Is this reality?

[bo_sox48]

Bozotheclown Some interaction as the day went on… his votes consistent with what he said he reads. Town.

This is so bland it hurts. What did bozo say he reads, and what votes match his reads?

e.m.c^42 what I expect from Einstein. Lots of posts that seem to interact but don’t seem to go anywhere. Thinks out loud. Moved from slight scum to null on re-read.

Again, what does this even mean? "Posts that seem to interact" is not really a proper clause in English.

Ezio I voted for Ezio most of the day because I believed him. When he recanted, I changed my vote, but didn’t have a lot of solid reason to vote for anyone else. Upon reading again, I disliked his unclaim. Wish I had stayed on him. He could have been doing his horse and pony show as scum or town. I assumed town.

Why did it take a reread to decide that you didn't like his retraction? He retracted at X:33 and you jumped off of him at X:34. Why?

Jamiet99uk While I see less policy orientation in this Jamiet, I don’t think that is AI. I think it is Jamiet upping his game. Slight town.

Where is he "upping his game?" Show me please.

MoscowFleet I am always suspicious of MF. His votes at the end look like it might be a vote on Ike to LOOK like he’s voting on Ike… and a switch to Damo for a safe vote IF AND ONLY IF he is scum. But he sounds like MF here, if a bit quieter and shy. Null to town.

This is a scum read with leads to ponder and pursue further, and yet it isn't.

Nephthys disengaged, 3rd person-speak??, and looked like posting to post. I especially found shady his answer to vecna “what else do you want me to comment on?” when there wasn’t much ‘else.’ Scummy

You finally gave us an example of something, but you forgot to explain the relevance of the example to your actual read. What's the connection?

rdrivera2005 His meta is always all over the place. Here I found him disengaged and bored. But on second read, he had conversations with bo, bozo, and vecna. Slight town.

Did any part of his conversations with the three users you reference change your mind about him being "disengaged and bored" or is the simple act of posting things good enough to alleviate your concerns?

Squigs44 I like squiggs in this game. He seems open minded and searching. Some of his comments indicate that he’s reading (vapor’s repeat question, the day 3 thing, his discussion with vecna, eg) slight town

Again, is reading alignment indicative? It seems to be here.

Vecna Last game I commented on vecna’s read and comment method. I liked it. But I like it less… it caused him to be WAY behind at EoD… and it would allow him to comment without interaction (other than when he chose) as scum. But he asks good questions… and they seem townish to me.

This is your first point in this reads list that I both understand and feel is useful information that I didn't already have at my fingertips. Perhaps you should take it up with him instead of burying it in a jumble of words.

Alien: I expect the alien to be quiet, non attention seeking. So if we are looking, seek someone quiet who usually might not be.

I take this to mean that you don't think Ezio is the alien?

[Vecna]

Not sure of my afternoon... so here is my EoN reads.

Bo_sox48… busy and then a very bo-ish set of declaration. None of them very engaging. The exchange with LQ seemed real on bo’s side. I am not sure I get why he townreads LQ after saying mostly negative things about him. Null to town.
Bozotheclown Some interaction as the day went on… his votes consistent with what he said he reads. Town.
Damo666 I didn’t like his early greetings with Jamiet. And his short bursty posts through most of day 1 feel to me like he is trying to post for postings’ sake. Thus my gut feeling vote at the end of day 1… scum.
Dargorygel townie wishing he was desperado again.
e.m.c^42 what I expect from Einstein. Lots of posts that seem to interact but don’t seem to go anywhere. Thinks out loud. Moved from slight scum to null on re-read.
Ezio I voted for Ezio most of the day because I believed him. When he recanted, I changed my vote, but didn’t have a lot of solid reason to vote for anyone else. Upon reading again, I disliked his unclaim. Wish I had stayed on him. He could have been doing his horse and pony show as scum or town. I assumed town.
Jamiet99uk While I see less policy orientation in this Jamiet, I don’t think that is AI. I think it is Jamiet upping his game. Slight town.
LordQuas His angry outbursts don’t seem to be content driven, but rather ‘anyone who speaks against me.’ That feels more scum than insecure town to me.
MoscowFleet I am always suspicious of MF. His votes at the end look like it might be a vote on Ike to LOOK like he’s voting on Ike… and a switch to Damo for a safe vote IF AND ONLY IF he is scum. But he sounds like MF here, if a bit quieter and shy. Null to town.
Nephthys disengaged, 3rd person-speak??, and looked like posting to post. I especially found shady his answer to vecna “what else do you want me to comment on?” when there wasn’t much ‘else.’ Scummy
Percy Williams,never moved out of joke phase? Some votes (ezio, worcej,) without reasons… I haven’t played with PW before (that I remember…) but feels null to scum.
Raging_Ike His ‘I haven’t read my PM” was reaction testing… and Ike being Ike. ; His posts taste casual and waiting… my gut says townish.
rdrivera2005 His meta is always all over the place. Here I found him disengaged and bored. But on second read, he had conversations with bo, bozo, and vecna. Slight town.
Squigs44 I like squiggs in this game. He seems open minded and searching. Some of his comments indicate that he’s reading (vapor’s repeat question, the day 3 thing, his discussion with vecna, eg) slight town
Thamrick started with potshots, but improved… in answer to your question, thamrick, “Darg doesn’t seem off this game.” Null to town
Vaporwave I ididn’t like vapor’s downplay of the alien… but I admit I am perhaps overly concerned. Vapor’s use of gun (or misuse) ends up with a town nudge for me. The mafia day chat would never let vapor use the gun like that.
Vecna Last game I commented on vecna’s read and comment method. I liked it. But I like it less… it caused him to be WAY behind at EoD… and it would allow him to comment without interaction (other than when he chose) as scum. But he asks good questions… and they seem townish to me.
Worcej… not the usual analyzing worcej. He blames it on the lack of the peterbot. So we’ll see if he becomes more himself. Busy-ness in real life is not AI… but he seems particularly absent. He seemed to have some miss-statements… but that can happen when catching up. I’ll read him again…
,xorxes No brilliant Poirot solves so far… but the days are young. Seems like xorxes. Null.

Alien: I expect the alien to be quiet, non attention seeking. So if we are looking, seek someone quiet who usually might not be.

Its almost like you copied 85% of my reads and reasoning here darg. Not sure if I should be suspicious or excited about this coincidence

[Vecna]

Damo666 I didn’t like his early greetings with Jamiet. And his short bursty posts through most of day 1 feel to me like he is trying to post for postings’ sake. Thus my gut feeling vote at the end of day 1… scum.

Really? You think damo is scum?

And yeah, that section was pretty odd (but if im not mistaken youve been doing this at times in previous games as well unless im mixing you up with someone else doing that)