Mafia Invitational - Welcome to Wakanda

[ghug]

Sure would have been nice if we'd lynched Foxcastle at the right time instead of wasting a day like that.

[bozotheclown]

That cleared some things up, but I do not understand why Vecna would get an answer to a question that everyone else could not.

[bozotheclown]

It is probably Ezio and xorxes bussing each other. If either of them were town, I do not know why they would not be looking at rdrivera more carefully.

[damian]

Ezio and Xorxes.
You both seem very convinced the other is scum. Would you quickly restate your cases for each other?

[xorxes]

Good news. We’re still in this. And we have two clears.

I’ll have to do some re-reading when I get the chance, does fox being scumchange anything about Bozo? What about Vecna being town?

Not really, he could have "scanned" a teammate to gain towncred, or "scanned" a townie to get him lynched and win. I don't think bozo should be the lynch today. I'm pretty sure about Ezio but less sure between bozo/rivera.

[damian]

The Fox relation is the more likely of the two to be NAI. Yes.
What about the Vecna push?

[xorxes]

It is probably Ezio and xorxes bussing each other. If either of them were town, I do not know why they would not be looking at rdrivera more carefully.

I'm definitely watching him.

[xorxes]

The Fox relation is the more likely of the two to be NAI. Yes.
What about the Vecna push?

Not sure either. I had the same response as him initially, before it became obvious what had happened, but I think his response *may* potentially be genuine.

[ghug]

That cleared some things up, but I do not understand why Vecna would get an answer to a question that everyone else could not.

Because clarifying Vecna's role to Vecna is fine. Answering us publicly would have effectively confirmed his claim one way or the other.

[ghug]

Damian, I suggest we let them at each other for a bit. Ask questions, but yet to obfuscate which answers you like and which you don't and refrain from offering your own analysis until they've had a while.

[Ezio]

Ezio and Xorxes.
You both seem very convinced the other is scum. Would you quickly restate your cases for each other?

Quickly? The best argument is simply this: Xorxes has lynched town three days in a row. When push came to shove on the balki vs fox, xorxes was wrong. No way he's so wrong as town.

When you combine it with how little he's been contributing for town throughout the game, particularly when it's compared to how he normally plays, it's scummy AF.

[bozotheclown]

It is probably Ezio and xorxes bussing each other. If either of them were town, I do not know why they would not be looking at rdrivera more carefully.

I'm definitely watching him.

It does not look like you were watching him closely here:

Scumteam is Fox-bozo-Ezio

Game solved. When does the next one start?

Kudos to Balki for having it practically solved. Sorry about the lynch.

[xorxes]

It is probably Ezio and xorxes bussing each other. If either of them were town, I do not know why they would not be looking at rdrivera more carefully.

I'm definitely watching him.

It does not look like you were watching him closely here:

Scumteam is Fox-bozo-Ezio

Game solved. When does the next one start?

Kudos to Balki for having it practically solved. Sorry about the lynch.

So what's your point exactly? I scumread you more than I do him, but his last posts (and some before that as well) have been awful.

I'll make a deal with you: we both know at least one of rivera/Ezio is scum, let's find out which one together, since those two are not doing much scumhunting at all. Maybe it's both of them but only us two know it's at least one for sure.

[xorxes]

Yo ghug you too. You say you can read xorxes perfectly. We've discussed this. Normally we say wait unitl d3 to give him two days to solve it, but frankly this game seems like an exception.

D4 is not too bad, if I say so myself.

[xorxes]

Also bozo, you need to contribute more. I think you're town and we need more town voices making discussion. Even if you're not confident, which I know you're not confident, say what things you're considering.
What lines are going through your head. Even if they don't go anywhere, you should still say shit.

This game is going to be hard purely because of lack of volume. Normally I'm part of the problem, but after last game (rip snowy), I'm not gonna do that shit again and you shouldn't either.
If you're wrong, learn from it and get better. If you're right, congrats you've helped.

@bozo, how did you react to this post from Ezio, if you can remember?

[xorxes]

I did not agree with Fluminator on ND, and his push for the ND wagon could have been to prevent a Squigs lynch if Squigs is scum. Since Squigs apparently is safe today for talking to a dead Tom:

##VOTE Fluminator

Before anyone brings it up, I know I am voting with ghug again and that ghug is currently the top wagon.

Who the fuck thinks about shit like this as town?

I do. All the time. It's important to know what trails you're leaving. If people pick up on them, they're probably scumhunting. I think posting it is a mistake.
Furthermore, we specifically told him to post more. I think he's doing that.

Would Ezio defend scum partner so blatantly? It's Ezio, so possibly yes I suppose.

[bozotheclown]

Also bozo, you need to contribute more. I think you're town and we need more town voices making discussion. Even if you're not confident, which I know you're not confident, say what things you're considering.
What lines are going through your head. Even if they don't go anywhere, you should still say shit.

This game is going to be hard purely because of lack of volume. Normally I'm part of the problem, but after last game (rip snowy), I'm not gonna do that shit again and you shouldn't either.
If you're wrong, learn from it and get better. If you're right, congrats you've helped.

@bozo, how did you react to this post from Ezio, if you can remember?

I do not remember thinking too much about it. I thought Ezio was likely town at the time, now I think he was likely buddying.

[xorxes]

And like, it will literally take a hard claim COP and a guilty scan on xorxes to change this read. I might not even change it. Xorxes just obtowned harder than anyone has ever obtowned before.

This looks like a crumb to claim COP in the future in case he needed it, in addition to another one that had DOC that bozo found.

But that aside, after having been hard scumreading me almost all game up to here, he suddenly makes a series of posts claiming he now townreads me and I have cleared myself, but he won't say why so I don't find out what my mystery towntell is. It turns out it was my using the words "town points".

Now Ezio may well be a bad scumhunter as he claims, but he is not an idiot, he is obviously a smart person. So why has he been playing this whole game trying to convince us that he's an idiot and that we should not pay any attention to him?

[xorxes]

I'm not sure I understand how Xorxes obvtowned?

That's ok Foxy. I've spent many hours carefully studying xorxes play, as scum and as town, in an attempt to be able to read him properly from game to game as he is the hinge on which every game rides. If he survives, and he's town, town will win every time.

There were pieces of his game that were missing, but he has quickly filled them in.
Again, 100% fucking certain.

And I'm only quoting a fraction of what he said. All of this based on "town points".

[xorxes]

What were the magic words?

Town dont care about this also btw. Its just scum Xorxes trying to make a mental note on how he can succesfully fool people, since he's been less effective in that in the past.

You're just wrong here. Not only are people just curious when lunatics make crazy claims outta nowhere, but it even is optimal for town to care.
Town likes to know other people's reasoning to analyze it. If the "magic words" were shitty/useless/not real I'd imagine it would affect his read of me.

Aha! So why exactly were you posing as a lunatic?