Mafia Invitational - Welcome to Wakanda

[Vecna]

##Call GM - Can you please clear up that you DO in fact answer personal pm's about people there roles if they were to ask you questions about how their role works.

[xorxes]

I’d buy either Rd, Fox or Xorxes as the final scum.
Note how Xorxes tries to clear Vecna for his information from the GM without confirming it.

Don't be silly, ghug knows all the facts there are to know, and Vecna told ghug to confirm with the GM if he had any doubts, so there was nothing for us to confirm.

If fox is scum and we have two fake claimants. I’d guess Bozo is town (which I’m starting to think might be the more likely possibility. Why would he blow Vecna’s cover otherwise) and the treat would likely be. Fox, Xorxes or RD, Vecna.

Do you think we have two fake claimants, i.e. that we only had two PRs or that ND was a PR?

[xorxes]

##CALL GM: If there is a doctor able to prevent a mafia kill, would the player saved get a message saying they were saved?

No set up questions will be answered.

Well Worcej DID answer it when I asked, so its kind of odd that youre refusing this now

Ah, worcej.

##VOTE Fox, nothing happened here.

[rdrivera2005]

I just don't know what to think from Vecna telling that he got an answer from Worcej, but I think at either town or scum he would check how saving works before claiming. Also, why would scum not NK to try to townclear a player that is already town readed for most people?

[xorxes]

Regardless, he should save the extra vote. If it works in lylo/mylo at any point, it should town confirm him still then, because such abilities should never work for scum at that point in the game.

I don't see how confirming him later is better than confirming him now. If he is town scum will NK him before he has a chance to use it, so how is it not better for town to know now?

Because finding out now makes his ability useless, and were not lynching him regardless today?

His ability is useless anyway. Finding out now means we don't need to consider the possibility that he is scum tomorrow. We have more info for tomorrow's lynch.

[bozotheclown]

I do not think a PR would be able ask questions about their role if the rest of us are not.

[Durga]

##Call GM - Can you please clear up that you DO in fact answer personal pm's about people there roles if they were to ask you questions about how their role works.

3. This is a CLOSED SET UP GAME - I will not be telling you the set up. Do not try to get it out of me. Please play within the spirit of this type of game and do not reveal things that may potentially break the ‘closed’ aspect (use your best judgement here - obviously you can claim or fake claim but do not post the PM we send you).

If you're asking me if I answer PM's, yes I answer PM's from everyone. Nothing else will be revealed.

[Durga]

##GM Note: There is some confusion. My last message stands and nothing else.

[xorxes]

I just don't know what to think from Vecna telling that he got an answer from Worcej, but I think at either town or scum he would check how saving works before claiming. Also, why would scum not NK to try to townclear a player that is already town readed for most people?

Also, how would they know there was no other doctor to counteclaim them. Of course it's possible the setup had two doctors but nobody would have believed that.

[damian]

With all of the confusion cleared up I think that means we have a clear scum slip from Vecna.
##vote Vecna

I do agree that there are significant benefits to me saving my extra vote. Namely if we mislynch we don’t actually lose. Unless I’m dead. Problem is if we don’t have a doctor, it’s looking like we don’t.

I’m probably dead.

[xorxes]

With all of the confusion cleared up I think that means we have a clear scum slip from Vecna.
##vote Vecna

I do agree that there are significant benefits to me saving my extra vote. Namely if we mislynch we don’t actually lose. Unless I’m dead. Problem is if we don’t have a doctor, it’s looking like we don’t.

I’m probably dead.

Ah, right, if we mislynch and you are not killed we do have an extra life, you're correct.

Hmm...

[damian]

Vecna’s claim that the reason Ghug didn’t get a notification of being saved is due to information that we now know he couldn’t have received is what makes it scummy.

Though if he is the doctor it explains why he’d fight for me to save my extra vote. Since he could keep me alive

[Vecna]

There is no scum slip. I saved Ghug, and stated it before doing to not have to get into a CC battle.

But feel free to argue out why on earth I would have to do it as scum, while literally everyone in the game was townreading me, and there was zero reason to not just kill Ghug....to get more townread?

[damian]

Basically if we actually have a doctor this isn’t MYOL
Because the doc can save me and my extra vote for next phase.

If we don’t have a doctor this is MYOL.

[Vecna]

##Call GM - Can you please clear up that you DO in fact answer personal pm's about people there roles if they were to ask you questions about how their role works.

3. This is a CLOSED SET UP GAME - I will not be telling you the set up. Do not try to get it out of me. Please play within the spirit of this type of game and do not reveal things that may potentially break the ‘closed’ aspect (use your best judgement here - obviously you can claim or fake claim but do not post the PM we send you).

If you're asking me if I answer PM's, yes I answer PM's from everyone. Nothing else will be revealed.

Ill just quote this again at Damian

[Vecna]

Basically if we actually have a doctor this isn’t MYOL
Because the doc can save me and my extra vote for next phase.

If we don’t have a doctor this is MYOL.

The doctor will save one of the townclears, ty

[xorxes]

There is no scum slip. I saved Ghug, and stated it before doing to not have to get into a CC battle.

But feel free to argue out why on earth I would have to do it as scum, while literally everyone in the game was townreading me, and there was zero reason to not just kill Ghug....to get more townread?

Ahem... you were one of my Sleazy Four, but nevermind that, your claim is believable.

[Vecna]

I was already wondering if u were gonna do that post

[damian]

There is no scum slip. I saved Ghug, and stated it before doing to not have to get into a CC battle.

Okay. But
1.) How does that protect you from a CC battle if you knew that it doesn't get revealed.
2.) Given that you stated you were saving Ghug pre-flip. Why would the scum still try and kill him.

To me Occam's razor would suggest the most likely reason was you were setting up for a fake claim.

[damian]

I'm not sure why you're quoting Durga's post at me again.

You'll not she explicitly changed it to a question about whether she answer's PMs and restated that she wouldn't reveal anything about the set up.

From your question about if she answered questions about people's roles by PM