M81: A Night To Remember [GAME THREAD]

[Jamiet99uk]

So here is Chaqa's case on Demon in a more complete form:

Exhibit 1:

Where I am sitting right now, and like brain said earlier, hate a read of mine, wait five minutes.

So, these are gut reads in the order of post volume.

Brain: Townlean.

Ghug: ambivalent.

Sweet and Cool: mafia.

Aaro: not a townlean.

Worcej: townlean for now.

Jamie: a null read at this point.

Ezio: Another null.

Chaqa: Townlean?

Kak: Null to mafialean.

Rivera: null to mafialean.

Vecna: I mafialean Vecna .

Damo: still hungover?

Nobody wants to be here and nobody wants to leave.

Did he leave only demon off this list?

Note that I have <snipped> Hamilton's list but the noteworthy point is that DemonRHK was the only person missing from it.

Exhibit 2:

@aaro where have you played mafia before? I've done a cursory look through the bot to see your previous games, but I don't see any on here. Is this your first?

@Brainbomb, your demonRHK case has convinced me! The first few hours of this game feel radically different from the first few hours of the games I remember, and I loved to base my scumreads off of reactions to obvious bb noise. SnC felt scummy before your post, so it doesn't count as convincing me.

At the moment I think Ghug, Kak, and Aaro are probably town.

If demon is mafia ezio would have picked all three town partners of mafia here. Wild

Exhibit 3:

Demon not mentioning Damo until his vote for him is odd

Exhibit 4:

you should kill me

my final words are that I earnestly think Ezio is town and that Demon is the last scum

Exhibit 1 is the first foundation of the case.

Exhibit 2 is about Ezio's reads, not Demon's, so is of little relevance actually.

Exhibit 3 is very interesting but Demon has answered it.

Exhibit 4 is Chaqa strongly stating his conclusion.

[Jamiet99uk]

@DemonRHK:

Chaqa's entire "case" about you, that he decided to bring up again with only a few minutes left (great play, Chaqa), was that you didn't mention Damo on D1 before you cast a vote on him.

Did you address that and, if not, could you address it now?

It was never addressed as far as I am aware, no.

So my 'gimmick' at the start of the game was going to be sitting on a no kill until the end of the day, and then drop a vote at like 10 to go.

So on D1 I was looking at vote patterns and connections, and I waas quite sus on my dance partner ghug. I thought I saw a pattern in damo and ghug somewhat following each other around wagons, and went with damo to try to confirm my suspicions. If they were buddies, I would have rather had ghug alive to try to try to implient 'THE PLAN' Version 1.

damo's D1 was trash, but to be fair most of his D1s are. Then it didn't get better and I focused on him, half tunnel and half laziness.

Why did you drop a naked vote on Damo without saying why you suspected him (at the time)?

[DemonRHK]

Why did you drop a naked vote on Damo without saying why you suspected him (at the time)?

At the time I was still sus of ghug but didn't want to convey that. I had a harebrained scheme to tell ghug in night chat that I had a bad looking post about D/N2 that actually wasn't there, to see if someone else would call be out on a post that didn't exist. That was 'THE PLAN' (Version 1, patent pending, all rights reserved)

[Jamiet99uk]

Why did you drop a naked vote on Damo without saying why you suspected him (at the time)?

At the time I was still sus of ghug but didn't want to convey that. I had a harebrained scheme to tell ghug in night chat that I had a bad looking post about D/N2 that actually wasn't there, to see if someone else would call be out on a post that didn't exist. That was 'THE PLAN' (Version 1, patent pending, all rights reserved)

To see if Ghug would call you out, do you mean?

Were you going to fake seeing a bad post by Damo?

Didn't you think Ghug would just read the thread and see that no such post existed?

[DemonRHK]

To see if Ghug would call you out, do you mean?

Were you going to fake seeing a bad post by Damo?

Didn't you think Ghug would just read the thread and see that no such post existed?

No. the thought is if ghug was mafia, he would tell his scumbuddies that I said I made a bad looking post, and I was going to see if someone else called me on the non0existant post, indicating that they had knowledge of the convo in our dance chat.

It was mostly on voting, rather than content.

Oh yea. Not saying THE PLAN was foolproof, but it was something. I had Plan B and C if that failed.

[Jamiet99uk]

To see if Ghug would call you out, do you mean?

Were you going to fake seeing a bad post by Damo?

Didn't you think Ghug would just read the thread and see that no such post existed?

No. the thought is if ghug was mafia, he would tell his scumbuddies that I said I made a bad looking post, and I was going to see if someone else called me on the non0existant post, indicating that they had knowledge of the convo in our dance chat.

It was mostly on voting, rather than content.

Oh yea. Not saying THE PLAN was foolproof, but it was something. I had Plan B and C if that failed.

Were you planning to tell Ghug what you made a bad-looking post about, i.e. what its topic was?

What were you planning for that topic to have been?

Why did you change your mind about this plan?

[DemonRHK]

Were you planning to tell Ghug what you made a bad-looking post about, i.e. what its topic was?

What were you planning for that topic to have been?

Why did you change your mind about this plan?

The original idea was to say I had a bad looking post with some poor phrasing and/or typo that xould be called a slip if someone really stretched it, was going to try to pass if off as a joke, and see what his reaction was.

By the time we hit EoD 2 and the tie happened, I had changed my mind on ghug and was ride or die with him. If ghug was scum, he would have played me more two-faced between the dance and the game thread. Also, I don't see a world where scum!ghug makes the fake pair claim and then claims it was for fun like he did when I asked.

[Jamiet99uk]

DemonRHK hardly interacted with Hamilton Brian at all while Brian was alive. Three posts, one of which just said "hi" and the other two pushed a scumread on SweetAndBunny.

However, on D2, N2 and D3 DemonRHK pushed Damo hard.

[Jamiet99uk]

So for Chaqa's deathbed theory to be correct, DemonRHK would have to have decided to bus his scum-mate Damo relentlessly from D2 until Damo's death, putting himself in a position where he would need to survive several days alone as the final scum in order to win.

The question is, has DemonRHK ever attempted such a bold play, as scum, before?

Helpfully, Brainbomb earlier listed games in which players (in this game) were scum before, so I can refer to those.

Bear with me.

[DemonRHK]

So for Chaqa's deathbed theory to be correct, DemonRHK would have to have decided to bus his scum-mate Damo relentlessly from D2 until Damo's death, putting himself in a position where he would need to survive several days alone as the final scum in order to win.

The question is, has DemonRHK ever attempted such a bold play, as scum, before?

Helpfully, Brainbomb earlier listed games in which players (in this game) were scum before, so I can refer to those.

Bear with me.

The boldest play I have ever tried as scum is the fakeclaim in my last game that SPECTACULARLY backfired and got 3 mafia caught when my friend I brought yto the site ragequit and outted the team in the gamethread.

[Jamiet99uk]

So for Chaqa's deathbed theory to be correct, DemonRHK would have to have decided to bus his scum-mate Damo relentlessly from D2 until Damo's death, putting himself in a position where he would need to survive several days alone as the final scum in order to win.

The question is, has DemonRHK ever attempted such a bold play, as scum, before?

Helpfully, Brainbomb earlier listed games in which players (in this game) were scum before, so I can refer to those.

Bear with me.

The boldest play I have ever tried as scum is the fakeclaim in my last game that SPECTACULARLY backfired and got 3 mafia caught when my friend I brought yto the site ragequit and outted the team in the gamethread.

Which game was that?

Was that here?

[DemonRHK]

So for Chaqa's deathbed theory to be correct, DemonRHK would have to have decided to bus his scum-mate Damo relentlessly from D2 until Damo's death, putting himself in a position where he would need to survive several days alone as the final scum in order to win.

The question is, has DemonRHK ever attempted such a bold play, as scum, before?

Helpfully, Brainbomb earlier listed games in which players (in this game) were scum before, so I can refer to those.

Bear with me.

The boldest play I have ever tried as scum is the fakeclaim in my last game that SPECTACULARLY backfired and got 3 mafia caught when my friend I brought yto the site ragequit and outted the team in the gamethread.

Yea. Like...73? 76? I don't fuckin know let me go look
Which game was that?

Was that here?

[DemonRHK]

Wow I butchered that, sorry

[DemonRHK]

76! I was right.

[DemonRHK]

See D3. It was a trainwreck to end all trainwrecks.

[Jamiet99uk]

Your friend being Rumi Toobari?

[Jamiet99uk]

Wow that was indeed a mess.

[Jamiet99uk]

So I have found four previous games in the PeterBot era, where DemonRHK was scum.

DemonRHK was scum in M40 with Ghug, Ezio, Bozo and Rdrivera

He did not vote for any of his team-mates on D1
He did not vote for any of his team-mates on D2
He voted for Ezio D3 but only because Ezio was revealed by a Cop scan.
He did not vote for any of his team-mates on D4
He did not vote for any of his team-mates on D5. He was flipped that phase.

DemonRHK was scum in M55 with Damo, Bunnygo, and Squigs44

He did not vote for any of his team-mates on D1
He did not vote for any of his team-mates on D2
He voted only for himself on D3, and died.

DemonRHK was scum in M66 with Kgray, Chaqa, Celaph and Macca

He did not vote for any of his team-mates on D1, and was voted out that day.

DemonRHK was scum in M76 with Pyxxy, Bona, and Rumi Tobari
Now, as noted just now, that game involved Rumi Tobari ragequitting and exposing DemonRHK as scum, but:

He voted for Bonatogether for a time on D1, but never pushed Bona and it looks like a joke vote which he moved away from before EoD.
He did not vote for any of his team-mates on D2
He did not vote for any of his team-mates on D3, and was killed because his team-mate Rumi outed him.

[Jamiet99uk]

So in those four previous scum games, there is no evidence, of DemonRHK hard bussing a team-mate, in the way that he would have to have done in this game, for Chaqa's theory to be correct. Indeed it appears that on previous track record DemonRHK avoids voting for team-mates, when he is scum.

This does not conclusively disprove Chaqa's theory but it does mean that Demon would have to be changing up his play considerably, in this game, and trying a very new tactic he is not known for.

[DemonRHK]

Your friend being Rumi Toobari?

Yes. Rumi had been a friend for a few years. That spat caused a falling out that has just recently begun getting mended.