MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[KalelChase]

##vote Kalel

Mostly interested in lynching in kalel/dargo/Bionic atm

Still very unclear what the case is on me. You got anything other than 'interested'?

[KalelChase]

[quote=dargorygel post_id=118374 time=1575639647 user_id=132

SO here is the adjusted chaqa chart:

Bionic - [M6][B4][J6]
Bozo - [M6][B6][J5]
Cmdr - [M4][B3][J6]
yavu - [M10][B5][J6]
dargo - [M2][B2][J4]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J4]
purple - [M1][B2][J3]
Temasek - [M7][B6][J6] - Not Scum with Bionic
Vecna - [M5][B4][J6]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]
[/quote]

All the weights don't matter that much individually (since we're not balancing them out to 100%-VT chance)... they're all roles we want to lynch. So doing the totals, and stack ranking them the results are;

(21) yavu - [M10][B5][J6]
(19) Temasek - [M7][B6][J6] - Not Scum with Bionic
(17) Bozo - [M6][B6][J5]
(16) Bionic - [M6][B4][J6]
(15) Vecna - [M5][B4][J6]
(15) Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
(13) Cmdr - [M4][B3][J6]
(11) Kalel - [M2][B5][J4]
(9) xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]
(9) EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
(8) dargo - [M2][B2][J4]
(6) purple - [M1][B2][J3]

##Vote yavu

Are we claiming? Vecna has asked us to. I can add gender to my VT claim, but I'd rather get consensus from ND & Tom than someone who's voting for me for no justified reason.

[KalelChase]

Sorry for the repeat post... wanted to get the quotes right.

[quote=dargorygel post_id=118374 time=1575639647 user_id=132

SO here is the adjusted chaqa chart:

Bionic - [M6][B4][J6]
Bozo - [M6][B6][J5]
Cmdr - [M4][B3][J6]
yavu - [M10][B5][J6]
dargo - [M2][B2][J4]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J4]
purple - [M1][B2][J3]
Temasek - [M7][B6][J6] - Not Scum with Bionic
Vecna - [M5][B4][J6]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]
[/quote]

All the weights don't matter that much individually (since we're not balancing them out to 100%-VT chance)... they're all roles we want to lynch. So doing the totals, and stack ranking them the results are;

(21) yavu - [M10][B5][J6]
(19) Temasek - [M7][B6][J6] - Not Scum with Bionic
(17) Bozo - [M6][B6][J5]
(16) Bionic - [M6][B4][J6]
(15) Vecna - [M5][B4][J6]
(15) Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
(13) Cmdr - [M4][B3][J6]
(11) Kalel - [M2][B5][J4]
(9) xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]
(9) EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
(8) dargo - [M2][B2][J4]
(6) purple - [M1][B2][J3]

##Vote yavu

Are we claiming? Vecna has asked us to. I can add gender to my VT claim, but I'd rather get consensus from ND & Tom than someone who's voting for me for no justified reason.

[KalelChase]

Sorry for the repeat post... wanted to get the quotes right.

[quote=dargorygel post_id=118374 time=1575639647 user_id=132

SO here is the adjusted chaqa chart:

Bionic - [M6][B4][J6]
Bozo - [M6][B6][J5]
Cmdr - [M4][B3][J6]
yavu - [M10][B5][J6]
dargo - [M2][B2][J4]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J4]
purple - [M1][B2][J3]
Temasek - [M7][B6][J6] - Not Scum with Bionic
Vecna - [M5][B4][J6]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]

All the weights don't matter that much individually (since we're not balancing them out to 100%-VT chance)... they're all roles we want to lynch. So doing the totals, and stack ranking them the results are;

(21) yavu - [M10][B5][J6]
(19) Temasek - [M7][B6][J6] - Not Scum with Bionic
(17) Bozo - [M6][B6][J5]
(16) Bionic - [M6][B4][J6]
(15) Vecna - [M5][B4][J6]
(15) Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
(13) Cmdr - [M4][B3][J6]
(11) Kalel - [M2][B5][J4]
(9) xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]
(9) EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
(8) dargo - [M2][B2][J4]
(6) purple - [M1][B2][J3]

##Vote yavu

Are we claiming? Vecna has asked us to. I can add gender to my VT claim, but I'd rather get consensus from ND & Tom than someone who's voting for me for no justified reason.
[/quote]

Crud... I give up.

[Vecna]

@vecna
"IF ANYONE is listed in group 1 but is actually an unclaimed MALE VT, you should speak up right now, because that would give us a 60% chance to lynch properly today."
Won't this make J's job easier?

Later you tell us not to claim, which makes sense. But this paragraph seems dangerous.

group 1 is the female VTs and scum

[Vecna]

Group 1, containing 3 female VTs, the Urchin and a combination of 3 scums/jack:
e.m.c
dargorygel
Vecna
Temasek22
FlaviusAetius
KalelChase
Yavuz

Group 2, containing 2 male VTs and a combination of 2 scum/jack:
bozo
Computer_Genius
BionicMole
purplecow

Townclears:
ND (J&H)
DemRHK (Commuter)

Where's Tom?

IF ANYONE is listed in group 1 but is actually an unclaimed MALE VT, you should speak up right now, because that would give us a 60% chance to lynch properly today.

It seems most likely that group 2 contains one scum from team graverobber and either the jack or scummember from team A.

I propose we lynch from group 2 today. Itll most likely give us most information since scumteam B will most likely try to save their own guy for another day. Its also most likely to remove a NK if we lynch the right person.

I think its probably best if group 1 remains unclaimed for now. Depending on whether jack is in there, he will have to take a gamble on whether to randomly knife in that group or go for RHK.

Note: If the URCHIN is hiding in group 2 (MALE VTs), stop fucking around and just claim because you fucked up. We cannot allow scum to last minute claim urchin in that group to sow massive confusion if we do hit a scum, so we will not believe you later on.

What if there's a Female VT in Group 2?

then they have really fucked up

[purplecow]

Bionic - [M4][B4][J5]
Bozo - [M6][B5][J5]
Cmdr - [M3][B3][J5]
yavu - [M9][B5][J5]
dargo - [M1][B2][J3]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J3]
purple - [M1][B1][J3]
Temasek - [M6][B6][J5] - Not Scum with Bionic
Vecna - [M5][B4][J5]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]

Silence is not golden. While night is a normally quiet time, those who were gone this night get a point for Jack or M. B is less likely to be quiet.

So +1 on those two numbers for tem, BM, Yavu, Cmdr, and darg

SO here is the adjusted chaqa chart:

Bionic - [M6][B4][J6]
Bozo - [M6][B6][J5]
Cmdr - [M4][B3][J6]
yavu - [M10][B5][J6]
dargo - [M2][B2][J4]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J4]
purple - [M1][B2][J3]
Temasek - [M7][B6][J6] - Not Scum with Bionic
Vecna - [M5][B4][J6]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]

Wait a second, dargo you put points on yourself???

[bozotheclown]

Bionic - [M4][B4][J5]
Bozo - [M6][B5][J5]
Cmdr - [M3][B3][J5]
yavu - [M9][B5][J5]
dargo - [M1][B2][J3]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J3]
purple - [M1][B1][J3]
Temasek - [M6][B6][J5] - Not Scum with Bionic
Vecna - [M5][B4][J5]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]

Silence is not golden. While night is a normally quiet time, those who were gone this night get a point for Jack or M. B is less likely to be quiet.

So +1 on those two numbers for tem, BM, Yavu, Cmdr, and darg

+1 on the B chart for purple for this: I'll do this for you Chaqa.
%%Vote yavu

Jack references at this point are probably hidden jack comments, +1 on Jfpr kalel for this: I'll do this for you Chaqa.
%%Vote yavu

Bozo argues with dead xorxes a lot. Not sure how to adjust this on the chaqa chart, but it feels desparate to me. Like a M seeing the noose neaqr. So +1 B. I don’t think Jack would be doing this, but I am not sure. So no adjustment anywhere else.

Flav’s reaction to chaqa’s death seems a bit weak. He explains it in post 2062, but still never goes back and says, “wow was I wrong.” I am not sure what that makes him. Unsurprised? Which only might mean that he knew chaqa was dying. COULD be either scum team or J. But it also could be that what he says in 2062 is right, and he just logically expected it. So I am not changing the number.
(Here is the post: ‘1) I said Chaqa would die if we didnt kill him so theres that
2) I am shocked by it but I dont know what you want me to do about it, I've been pushing yavu since the beginning and im happy Chaqa saw that too, so lets lynch him”)

Bozo pushes a lot on BM. Which MIGHT be VT hunting, but it more likely is B hunting M. +1 on the B chart, combined with BM’s bitter reply (“ Do you have an original idea bozo, or do you just steal all of Xorxes?” (which gives BM a +1 on the M team) This argument between them might be M vs B, right?
Vecna is very solvey. And does NOT seem to be pushing one team over the other. He wants to wear the town leader hat, and it usually fits him fine. I keep thinking he would be a good 3p here. The ONLY negative is his suggestion for Male VT to claim. This seems to advent J’s condition. But would vecna be so obvious? But for now +1 j.

SO here is the adjusted chaqa chart:

Bionic - [M6][B4][J6]
Bozo - [M6][B6][J5]
Cmdr - [M4][B3][J6]
yavu - [M10][B5][J6]
dargo - [M2][B2][J4]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J4]
purple - [M1][B2][J3]
Temasek - [M7][B6][J6] - Not Scum with Bionic
Vecna - [M5][B4][J6]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]

I was addressing what xorxes said, even though he is no longer around, because I was not available to fully address it at EON.

Here is a summary of what happened in case it is not clear.

1. xorxes said he did not think I was a male VT because "if he had read MALE VT in his role PM, he would have known immediately there were also FEMALE VTs".

2. I knew that the wording he sighted was wrong, and I also knew I could clear myself my quoting the VT role PM since the VT role PM was missing in the game setup. Rather than risk violating the rules, or at least the spirit of the rules, I asked a GM question about copying the role PM, which is not strictly against the rules, but the reason it is not against the rules is that all role PMs are usually included in the game setup.

3. The GM response was to post the VT role PM in the game thread to prevent any VT from clearing themselves by citing their role PM.

4. Errors in the posted VT role PM left open the possibility of any VT clearing themselves to other VTs. Chaqa and xorxes took this opportunity to clear themselves by discussing it.

[ND]

##vote CMDR

[FlaviusAetius]

Also, bozo, why did you never correct me when I implied every time I talked about you since D1 that you were not a VT? If you really were a VT you would have been all over me asking where I was getting that from. You never even raised an eyebrow.

I will answer this question from xorxes in case he is still reading the game thread. I did not respond to you because I was fairly certain why you were implying that I was not a VT, and bringing it up would likely start a conversation where it would be hard not to violate the spirit of the game as a result of the fact that the VT role PM was inadvertently left out of the game setup. I realized a VT could clear themselves by posting their role PM, which is not strictly against the rules, but would have been taking advantage of the VT role PM being left out of the game setup. This came up in M46, where I basically got lynched D1 for protesting ChippeRock violating the spirit of the game, if not the rules, by posting his role PM in an attempt to clear himself. I did not want to get into a situation where you would claim I was not a VT for refusing to clear myself in this way. Unfortunately you forced the issue N5, and I tried to deal with it the best I could.

That was really smart of Chippie, and should be a rule from now on to not do that, but it doesnt violate the spirit of the game whatsoever, and Im still very upset people dont include ChippieRock in games

[FlaviusAetius]

Do you have an original idea bozo, or do you just steal all of Xorxes?

Thissss seems mighty convenient Bozo is parroting everything Xorxes said when xorxes is dead

[FlaviusAetius]

I support lynching myself

No way, you're the only Doc left. They haven't gone 3 for 3 yet so maybe 1 more round.

Agree! Do not lynch yourself ND, Hyde still has a chance to kill a mafia member, and that is important

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count 5.1

yavuzovic(4) - purplecow, FlaviusAetius, dargorygel, KalelChase
BionicMole(2) - bozotheclown, Temasek22
KalelChase(1) - Vecna
dargorygel(1) - Tom Bombadil
CmdrLikely(1) - ND

Yavuzovic it be that are currently scheduled to become lynched.

A bit more than half of the time it takes a day to elapse is left in the Fifth Day.

[FlaviusAetius]

I could go over again how interactions with rdrivera and PR claims exclude everyone except you as the last Moriarty, but xorxes already did that well.

So is that a 'no' ?

OK, here are some things that I do not think xorxes pointed out.

On D1, when Bob had 4 votes and Computer_Genius was the only other player with with more than 1 vote, you switch your vote to Computer_Genius and defended Bob with this:

I'm trying to find a place for my vote. I can't see jumping on the Bob wagon because he sucks at telling jokes and nobody likes his rhyme scheme. I think I will give my vote to the absent guy that I have no history with until I get further information from him. This may seem like the lazy way but even if ComputerG is town, he is not helping us solve the game.

##vote Computer

On D3, when rdrivera and yavuzovic were tied at 4 votes each, you switched your vote to yavuzovic 1 hour before EOD. You had not mentioned yavuzovic all of D3 until 1.5 hours before EOD, when rdrivera and yavuzovic were already the top wagons. It seems 1.5 hours before EOD you were setting up a vote for yavuzovic.

I hate everyone who voted computer_genius too, but xorxes did too, and so Im not sure if its really saying anything if they voted for ComputerG, and you have literally nothing else backing it up

[FlaviusAetius]

Also a vote for yavu is a great vote, and I fail to see why you dont like people voting for yavu @bozo

[FlaviusAetius]

Friends, I am male VT. We should lynch Bionic or Bozo.

Oh snap, now the plot thickens

How many people have claimed Male VT right now, because to me it seems we have way too many claims for Male VT :I

[FlaviusAetius]

Should we consider now lynching ND? Tomorrow night Hyde will strike.

I actually like chaqa's pages. But do these last two deaths give us any adjustments?

I think its more important to get a mafia member and hope Hyde kills someone from the other mafia team

-IF- hyde has been reading anything at all, he has no reason whatsoever not to shoot at one of the town PR's

He only knows two, and one of them he cant kill, and the other has an infinite save

[FlaviusAetius]

Should we consider now lynching ND? Tomorrow night Hyde will strike.

I actually like chaqa's pages. But do these last two deaths give us any adjustments?

I think its more important to get a mafia member and hope Hyde kills someone from the other mafia team

-IF- hyde has been reading anything at all, he has no reason whatsoever not to shoot at one of the town PR's

If we kill ND, we kill Tom, by the way of scum killing Tom.
If we save ND, they both get to live indefinetly and Tom gets hold up their RB, so all our other PR's get to do what they want, seems like a good deal to me

[FlaviusAetius]

The only downside with trying to resolve the second group first is that JACK is more more likely to be in the other group.

Im inclined to say that that is a problem for scum to deal with though

imo the last Moriarty member is on a mad hunt to find Jack because he is literally the only person who he can prevent from killing him, if he tries to go for the mafia team, he cant really kill them off, Jack is probably trying to do the same
I still think its better for us to go for the last Moriarty member though

[FlaviusAetius]

Bionic - [M4][B4][J5]
Bozo - [M6][B5][J5]
Cmdr - [M3][B3][J5]
yavu - [M9][B5][J5]
dargo - [M1][B2][J3]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J3]
purple - [M1][B1][J3]
Temasek - [M6][B6][J5] - Not Scum with Bionic
Vecna - [M5][B4][J5]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]

Silence is not golden. While night is a normally quiet time, those who were gone this night get a point for Jack or M. B is less likely to be quiet.

So +1 on those two numbers for tem, BM, Yavu, Cmdr, and darg

+1 on the B chart for purple for this: I'll do this for you Chaqa.
%%Vote yavu

Jack references at this point are probably hidden jack comments, +1 on Jfpr kalel for this: I'll do this for you Chaqa.
%%Vote yavu

Bozo argues with dead xorxes a lot. Not sure how to adjust this on the chaqa chart, but it feels desparate to me. Like a M seeing the noose neaqr. So +1 B. I don’t think Jack would be doing this, but I am not sure. So no adjustment anywhere else.

Flav’s reaction to chaqa’s death seems a bit weak. He explains it in post 2062, but still never goes back and says, “wow was I wrong.” I am not sure what that makes him. Unsurprised? Which only might mean that he knew chaqa was dying. COULD be either scum team or J. But it also could be that what he says in 2062 is right, and he just logically expected it. So I am not changing the number.
(Here is the post: ‘1) I said Chaqa would die if we didnt kill him so theres that
2) I am shocked by it but I dont know what you want me to do about it, I've been pushing yavu since the beginning and im happy Chaqa saw that too, so lets lynch him”)

Bozo pushes a lot on BM. Which MIGHT be VT hunting, but it more likely is B hunting M. +1 on the B chart, combined with BM’s bitter reply (“ Do you have an original idea bozo, or do you just steal all of Xorxes?” (which gives BM a +1 on the M team) This argument between them might be M vs B, right?
Vecna is very solvey. And does NOT seem to be pushing one team over the other. He wants to wear the town leader hat, and it usually fits him fine. I keep thinking he would be a good 3p here. The ONLY negative is his suggestion for Male VT to claim. This seems to advent J’s condition. But would vecna be so obvious? But for now +1 j.

SO here is the adjusted chaqa chart:

Bionic - [M6][B4][J6]
Bozo - [M6][B6][J5]
Cmdr - [M4][B3][J6]
yavu - [M10][B5][J6]
dargo - [M2][B2][J4]
EMC - [M1][B5][J3] - Scum if Temasek is
Flavius - [M5][B5][J5]
Kalel - [M2][B5][J4]
purple - [M1][B2][J3]
Temasek - [M7][B6][J6] - Not Scum with Bionic
Vecna - [M5][B4][J6]
xorxes - [M1][B5][J3]

I was not wrong, Chaqa was wrong in doing what he did and not explaining it off, perfectly sensible to go after him, and he was right he needed to die after he pulled off that stunt
Also I said multiple times Chaqa was going to die that night no matter what so he needed to die regardless, maybe if we killed him Jack would of killed a mafia, but nooooooooooooooooooo why listen to flav!

You realize bozo is hugging xorxes while you are hugging chaqa :facedesk: absolutely ridiculous, their DEAD DEAD AND DEAD. THEY DONT MATTER ANYMORE. BRING UP NEW THINGS