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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3161 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:14 am

and as you note in your post, you had something to say in D2. I didn't notice you saying what it was.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3162 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:16 am

Basically, we need something to go right. I'm so totally confused this game. And every time we try to fix it, we dig our hole deeper.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3163 Post by Kitsune » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:21 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:11 am
When did you read BB as Rocket?
When he said "happy birthday" and I got a message saying the Item Smith had given me an item.

Then he booped to make sure I was paying attention and I tried to gif-boop him back (because who really reads all the gif links they post here?).

If I had to guess I'd say it was something to do with that - although I would have spoken up strongly in BB's defense as Town if I'd been free to do so.

While condemning the agitation he seemed to push :/ I get it as a tactic, and I've had it used on me in Dip (Umble!) but I don't like it and I don't approve.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3164 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:21 am

Oh, and I agree with you about the Maniac death wish. That screams VT to me...but what do I know. Maybe it's a reverse psychology scum.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3165 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:22 am

Kitsune wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:21 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:11 am
When did you read BB as Rocket?
When he said "happy birthday" and I got a message saying the Item Smith had given me an item.

Then he booped to make sure I was paying attention and I tried to gif-boop him back (because who really reads all the gif links they post here?).

If I had to guess I'd say it was something to do with that - although I would have spoken up strongly in BB's defense as Town if I'd been free to do so.

While condemning the agitation he seemed to push :/ I get it as a tactic, and I've had it used on me in Dip (Umble!) but I don't like it and I don't approve.
Ah. Interesting...

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3166 Post by Nephthys » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:22 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:16 am
Basically, we need something to go right. I'm so totally confused this game. And every time we try to fix it, we dig our hole deeper.
I would say try make a case on your top two scum reads. While you've had interaction and reads, you havent really posted cases. They really help you to coherently understand how you view the game and open up your ideas to others more than empty read lists

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3167 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:28 am

Nephthys wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:22 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:16 am
Basically, we need something to go right. I'm so totally confused this game. And every time we try to fix it, we dig our hole deeper.
I would say try make a case on your top two scum reads. While you've had interaction and reads, you havent really posted cases. They really help you to coherently understand how you view the game and open up your ideas to others more than empty read lists
I agree. When I tried it with Kalel, you got my post where I changed my mind.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3168 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:29 am

So I thought...maybe instead of going back to make the case on my scum reads, Maybe I should make the case on my town reads. So I'm left investigating Kit.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3169 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:32 am

Nephthys wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:22 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:16 am
Basically, we need something to go right. I'm so totally confused this game. And every time we try to fix it, we dig our hole deeper.
I would say try make a case on your top two scum reads. While you've had interaction and reads, you havent really posted cases. They really help you to coherently understand how you view the game and open up your ideas to others more than empty read lists
I know it's early--good cases probably don't start until day 3 or so. But we're an extra 2 villagers down, so I feel pressure.

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3170 Post by Nephthys » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:41 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:32 am
Nephthys wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:22 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:16 am
Basically, we need something to go right. I'm so totally confused this game. And every time we try to fix it, we dig our hole deeper.
I would say try make a case on your top two scum reads. While you've had interaction and reads, you havent really posted cases. They really help you to coherently understand how you view the game and open up your ideas to others more than empty read lists
I know it's early--good cases probably don't start until day 3 or so. But we're an extra 2 villagers down, so I feel pressure.
Good cases can come as soon as we have info i.e N1.

I definitely think that cases are excellent whenever you think you can make one.

Personally, I'm not too much of a fan of town cases. Scum cases are just so much better.

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#3171 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:43 am

Nephthys wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:41 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:32 am
Nephthys wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:22 am


I would say try make a case on your top two scum reads. While you've had interaction and reads, you havent really posted cases. They really help you to coherently understand how you view the game and open up your ideas to others more than empty read lists
I know it's early--good cases probably don't start until day 3 or so. But we're an extra 2 villagers down, so I feel pressure.
Good cases can come as soon as we have info i.e N1.

I definitely think that cases are excellent whenever you think you can make one.

Personally, I'm not too much of a fan of town cases. Scum cases are just so much better.
I've been unable to make one. Do you see any?

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#3172 Post by Nephthys » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:49 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:43 am
Nephthys wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:41 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:32 am


I know it's early--good cases probably don't start until day 3 or so. But we're an extra 2 villagers down, so I feel pressure.
Good cases can come as soon as we have info i.e N1.

I definitely think that cases are excellent whenever you think you can make one.

Personally, I'm not too much of a fan of town cases. Scum cases are just so much better.
I've been unable to make one. Do you see any?
That's why I suggested you do one. If you can't make one then you shouldn't really be scumreading someone at this stage.

Even just pick someone heavily scumread (Kalel comes to mind) and give you opinions on his play with examples. It explains your point on a contentious topic and means that you can actually discuss it with people rather than just shove your own agenda.

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#3173 Post by Kitsune » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:55 am

Okay, I’m going to do a new read list using three heuristics this time, aiming for something easy to digest and not, you know, slabs of text that people skim over (looking at a certain doctor with illegible handwriting).

Kitsune's Little Black List

bozotheclown - Corpse. Was Vanilla Town.

brainbomb - Corpse. Was Powered Town.

BunnyGo - The Grand Inquisitor himself. I'm a little suspicious of anyone who seems to feel the need to tell me that I know what I'm doing in this game and that they're inclined to follow my lead. This was balanced out a little by the healthy abuse he dealt out in D2 (Lawful Stupid, Stupid, Idiot etc etc etc), but looking at Heuristic 1 I've been watching the most vocal speakers here and have noticed him buddying up with BB, Neph, all the most vocal hunters around the Town. Top three poster in each of the days, dropping off a fair bit during Night 1 when I suspect he may have been the top poster in traitor chat instead. He's been very good at blending in with the hunters, buddying up with anyone with a leading agenda and posting a lot of suspicions with very little digging or follow up. He could be newbie and learning (newbie solidarity!) but what drew me to actually start looking was his enthusiastic support for Espresso's claim that I'd be safe to hold onto the item until Day because "it couldn't be stolen".

My read of the Item Thief role is a little different:
You are also the Item Thief! Once per night you may choose a player to visit, if that player has any items you will steal one of them, if the player has more than one it will be decided at random which you take.
So yeah, not falling for that one. I'll use my item before Dawn, and I'll try to throw out the Mafia's gameplan with it. Final piece of evidence is Bunny's repeated claim as Steve Rogers, or Captain America. The role?
Captain America (VT)
You are Steve Rogers aka Captain America! You are a vanilla town. Each day you may vote on who to lynch. You win when all foes opposing the town have been eliminated.
Except... I'm a vanilla town. And I know damn well that Ike didn't tell us which one we were unless we had extra powers. Fake claim doesn't automatically condemn him, but it's enough that I'm calling Scumlean until and unless he talks his way out of this one.

He can try at Dawn. I have the strangest suspicion he won't get killed before then.

Chaqa - Quiet on D1, coming into his own now as I believe a number of players indicated is his meta. I like that he's building theories and hunting down ideas and look forward to seeing how his experience plays out in the days ahead. Healthy townlean here, though haven't seen enough yet to core him.

damo666 - Lord he talks a lot. And I mean a lot. No novels, but then that probably means more people read what he has to say. :cry: Assume town based on the odds, but no strong indicators either way. Null for now.

dargo - I like him. A lot. He's not massively eloquent, but his posts are short and he argues well for a reasoned and productive room. He's not as diametrically opposed to finding the SK as are most other players which raises a question mark, but his reasons for this are well argued. Thanos does ramp up in power, and it doesn't do us much good to hunt down and kill every last mafia scum if we turn around and face a Thanos who's gleaned both stones from the lynch wagons as well as Gamora's somewhere on the way. I'm not saying we need to hunt him down now, but we need to start keeping stones in the Town's hands and ideally taking one or two back. Strong townlean for sure.

e.m.c^42 - Corpse. Was Janitored (at least I assume that's what that meant). Probably Town. Fingered Maniac, rdr as SK, Kalel before dying.

EspressoPatronum - Undisputed Doctor, I've gotten some fairly good vibes off his investigations before and I look forward to seeing what he can do Day Three... assuming he survives the night :/ That said he could be lying and the real Doc in hiding, so I'll go to townLean at most until someone verifies they've been saved. Which is fair, yeah? At least I don't recommend lynching him until we get some verification or notice the Mafia being awfully tolerant of his antics. I do want an explanation of his Item claim though. Was he fishing for liars, mistaken, or was he lying himself?

foodcoats - I'm getting a pretty good read off foodcoats, I think. I'm inclined to Townlean him partly because of his help earlier - that he felt that having me have some idea of how to weed out the scum might actually be a value add to the town instead of leaving me to confuse things with my own confusion. He's not being quite as expansive as I'd like, but his posts are incisive and raise useful points. I don't agree with all his targets, but have the feel he's genuinely trying to identify them.

Foxcastle - Fairly quiet. Sometimes high levels of posts, but rarely enough to sway things much. I get the sense he's town (partly due to the roleblock) but don't have much concrete evidence I want to lay out there in support of the idea. I'm trying to avoid gutchecks until I have a better trained gut, but in the absence of more factual correlation.

Jamiet99uk - Pretty much a vindicated Vig after the hard claim was backed up by a shooting. I could construct a lunatic theory about a secret vig following his open lead and that's why Maniac survived pressing him because secret vig simply wasn't on, but I'm saying solid Town... although I'm taking his conclusions and suggestions with whole piles of salt. :-D

KalelChase - Seems to maintain fairly consistent levels of activity night and day - near the bottom during day and very high during night, but only about 4 posts in it. My previous comments still apply. He seems to be a little too willing to follow into wagons without his own valid reasons for stacking onto them, but his reasoning and investigation has gotten a lot stronger during my absence and I'm now pointing to Townlean instead of scum (although a few SK niggles remain).

Kitsune - Racking up the frequent flier miles and would prefer to face death than be stuck on that beach again. Solid towncore for me, but then I would say that. Make your own judgement guys.

Maniac - Even now I don't completely understand how his wagon eroded so quickly. Either he was rescued by that time stone or he's outrageously lucky, but between yesterday's case on him in more strength than I feel is plausibly scum-inspired, his weak defense and his interesting obsession with Thanos now (which I'm understanding isn't what we should be looking at just yet while there's still an intact Scum team to break) I'm reading him as scum. Possibly Janitor given his willingness to flirt with death, everyone else in the scum role description seems to still have things they can do to make life harder for us.

ND/Sulit - Heuristic 2. Earlier there was a large wagon on ND, which I watched but didn't share as I felt Bozo was scum. Oops. But (other than avoid extended colourful rambles) I don't see that Sulit has done anything different except avoid saying much of anything and keep a low profile with more success than his predecessor. I accept he's busy, but I want to see more effort than amiability out of his posts and some actual effort to persuade. Gentle scumlean for now, although I want to make him null as he shares my concerns on Maniac.

Nephthys - Experienced and talented, he's been consistent about not voting for lead wagons that end up lynching good people and (like Brain) his insights have been largely overlooked I feel. I love his investigation meta, and I think we need more of this. My one worry is whether he's getting pocketed by his dance partner, but in the absence of another lead investigator in his timezone I understand the chemistry. If he was SK, he wouldn't have so consistently avoided the lead wagons, so solid Towncore here.

rdrivera2005 - Heuristic 2, he's keeping a low profile and staying in the conversation with a reasonable number of posts but rarely much meat or investigation to them. I see him as a bit like a hedgehog, poking little spines out in all directions to keep people reacting instead of thinking. Contradiction on this is that I read his reaction to brain as entirely authentic and Maniac seems to be hunting him too. I don't get the sk-read others are describing, and I'm not sure I'd recognise a bus if I saw one so rating him null for now and a good Vision candidate.

Temasek22 - Heuristic 2, rarely the lowest poster but consistently in the bottom third during daytime. Upper half during N1, but he doesn't really say very much. Pointing fingers in a few directions, but the only one he's showing much commitment to is Kalel so I'm saying scumlean (unless Kalel does turn out to be scum, in which case... I guess that makes me wrong and Tema town?)

Vaporwave - In my Towncore, voting with other verified and probable town vs Maniac. Appear to have annoyed Mafia in so doing (absent a better idea of why emc was targeted. Was he softing something?) Reads as investigative and cautious before trusting, which I like in my fellow detectives.

worcej - Corpse. Was Vanilla Town.

xorxes - Solid Towncore, because we know he is. Thanks Vision.

Yuuki - Corpse. Was Town-with-a-stone (stone may or may not still have been on his person).

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3174 Post by damo666 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:01 am

I'm confused. What happened to EPN?

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#3175 Post by Kitsune » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:01 am

I have the Aero-Rig.

Since I'm not safe to hold onto it, I'm using it to target one of my suspected Scum reads. With any luck I'll hit the Ninja and we'll avoid any Night Kills at all tonight.

If not... best wishes and good luck to you all!

Orders sent and confirmed.


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#3177 Post by damo666 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:04 am

Ignore. I see now. In 55m

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#3178 Post by Nephthys » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:17 am

damo666 wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:04 am
Ignore. I see now. In 55m
oh shit. forgot about this.

I doubt I'll be NKed but I'm still gonna try solidify my case on Vapor.

Wish me luch

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#3179 Post by Nephthys » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:18 am

Rip, was hoping Kit had a scan

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Re: MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#3180 Post by EspressoPatronum » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:51 am

If rdr is SK, dargo is probably Gamora. Go check rdr's ISO to see his random scum read of dargo at the beginning of D2.

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