Mafia 57 Matrix

[Hellenic Riot]

Town win if all Agents are dead.
Mafia win if they make up a majority of the players. OR NOTHING CAN STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING
Virus wins if it can activate its third form before game ends.
(Note that if the virus wins it leaves the game and the other two sides continue.)

The capitalised bit is important: A virus that can kill them and can't be NK'd by them surely counts as something that can prevent it. And if we get down to KILO, the scum can just joint win with the virus by all voting it (and the virus self votes) and we won't be able to stop it.

[ghug]

Long term having the virus around is untenable. Even short term it’s fairly dangerous.

I’m not confident we can guarantee another night of townsiding virus

I feel like you're the virus.

[e.m.c^42]

If you truly want an attempt of VCA I'll say, circumstances of coincidence was D1, rest was either misguided new or testing town, and probably one point lurky scum of some sort.

There weren't really any "actual scumread" reasons provided for my wagon up until very recently, and that gives off said previous vibes. Say Hamilton's reasoning. Would put that as misguided new logic. Someone like TFB would be just sheepy flow, but that's unfortunately NAI enough given how few people seem to have strong scumreads at that point.

I think Jamie is possibly scum for lacking his usual tendency of question tunneling, and not broadening out. I think gold might've been town testing for something but his misinterpretation on D1 and subsequent info argument I find scummy as he isn't an inexperienced player by any regard and would know better than to genuinely peddle that as town lmao.

Jamie is scum for not tunneling and for not broadening out?

What misinterpretation on D1?

As in, some variations of town!Jamie share with bozo the characteristic of temporarily tunneling on a single player, then questioning them to hell and high water, and moving on to the next player that catches their attention. Usually by now Jamie should've gone through around four or five players, but this is gut recall and not checked with bot so take with large grain of salt. Bozo is a bit more flexible than Jamie in this regard, but general vibe stands.

He's been more focused on emotive reactions than game questioning which somewhat comes off as him intentionally playing as real as he can to his town self

Although, true, it can be explained by IRL circumstances, since his meta shifts almost always correlate strongly with that for him, but...

Misinterpretation as in mentioning 3P was intentional speculation. tbh I actually reclarified that to include 3P rather than just say "not!town vibes" specifically to set standard for players who haven't played with my terminology quirks lmao. That backfired.

[Tom Bombadil]

Town win if all Agents are dead.
Mafia win if they make up a majority of the players. OR NOTHING CAN STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING
Virus wins if it can activate its third form before game ends.
(Note that if the virus wins it leaves the game and the other two sides continue.)

The capitalised bit is important: A virus that can kill them and can't be NK'd by them surely counts as something that can prevent it. And if we get down to KILO, the scum can just joint win with the virus by all voting it (and the virus self votes) and we won't be able to stop it.

Oh. I see - yes, you are correct.

[Hellenic Riot]

Long term having the virus around is untenable. Even short term it’s fairly dangerous.

I’m not confident we can guarantee another night of townsiding virus

I feel like you're the virus.

I can't remotely understand why Bunny would have held his kill, unless Nanook really was lying about the RB in a roleswap, but either way I think the virus has to die before KILO.

KILO Scenario:

X Town + X Scum + 1 Virus = X+1 votes on virus, virus gets lynched, virus wins, mafia wins.

[Nanook]

Long term having the virus around is untenable. Even short term it’s fairly dangerous.

I’m not confident we can guarantee another night of townsiding virus

I feel like you're the virus.

Use your head for something besides smacking into brick walls

[ghug]

Town win if all Agents are dead.
Mafia win if they make up a majority of the players. OR NOTHING CAN STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING
Virus wins if it can activate its third form before game ends.
(Note that if the virus wins it leaves the game and the other two sides continue.)

The capitalised bit is important: A virus that can kill them and can't be NK'd by them surely counts as something that can prevent it. And if we get down to KILO, the scum can just joint win with the virus by all voting it (and the virus self votes) and we won't be able to stop it.

I'm not sure I agree with the first part, but it's hard to argue with the second.

[Nanook]

Like if I were the virus I would just say “hey guys I’m the virus, if you don’t kill me today I’m gonna mafia side” and be done with it.

Jfc

[Nanook]

I’m confirmed town, stop fucking arguing with me

I’m taking a nap please don’t be this dumb when I get back I hope I hope I hope

[ghug]

Like if I were the virus I would just say “hey guys I’m the virus, if you don’t kill me today I’m gonna mafia side” and be done with it.

Jfc

Yeah yeah, OK.

Third parties are fucking stupid.

##VOTE bunny
##CALLGM Shame on both of you.

[ghug]

We should probably hammer (and end night tomorrow please), but I'd like bunny to at least confirm first.

[goldfinger0303]

Whoah, nobody died. Nice.

Only way that happens is if scum hit the virus and virus held their shot (or hit a red-pilled person)

Nanook claimed RB yesterday

And Nanook out of the blue claims Bunny is virus and we should hang them immediately.

Three possibilities as far as I see.

One - Nanook is telling the truth, is on the ship, and Bunny is the virus.

Two - Nanook is actually the virus. Scum found Nanook N3 with their roleblock and put a NK on them tonight. He's advocating a hanging of most people's top town read to make him look scummy so we'll do him next.

Three - Nanook is scum. Fake claimed the RB N3, scum hit the real virus last night, and he's trying to use this to get a top townread killed.

I'll have to look more into which option is correct. Will wait to see other reactions

[goldfinger0303]

Ghug why are you shaming the GMs.

[Hellenic Riot]

I mean we essentially just sit around and wait for Bunny to confirm or deny whether or not he's the virus now - it's not like he would have any possible reason to claim it as any other alignment.

[e.m.c^42]

Oho, we've got claims.

[ghug]

Whoah, nobody died. Nice.

Only way that happens is if scum hit the virus and virus held their shot (or hit a red-pilled person)

Nanook claimed RB yesterday

And Nanook out of the blue claims Bunny is virus and we should hang them immediately.

Three possibilities as far as I see.

One - Nanook is telling the truth, is on the ship, and Bunny is the virus.

Two - Nanook is actually the virus. Scum found Nanook N3 with their roleblock and put a NK on them tonight. He's advocating a hanging of most people's top town read to make him look scummy so we'll do him next.

Three - Nanook is scum. Fake claimed the RB N3, scum hit the real virus last night, and he's trying to use this to get a top townread killed.

I'll have to look more into which option is correct. Will wait to see other reactions

Does hitting a red-pilled person mean no kill? I thought I had heard that at some point, but I went back to look at the rules and didn't see anything.

[ghug]

Ghug why are you shaming the GMs.

Because now it's four fucking days until I get to [redact] someone and we have to waste a [redact] on a fucking jester?

[Hellenic Riot]

Whoah, nobody died. Nice.

Only way that happens is if scum hit the virus and virus held their shot (or hit a red-pilled person)

Nanook claimed RB yesterday

And Nanook out of the blue claims Bunny is virus and we should hang them immediately.

Three possibilities as far as I see.

One - Nanook is telling the truth, is on the ship, and Bunny is the virus.

Two - Nanook is actually the virus. Scum found Nanook N3 with their roleblock and put a NK on them tonight. He's advocating a hanging of most people's top town read to make him look scummy so we'll do him next.

Three - Nanook is scum. Fake claimed the RB N3, scum hit the real virus last night, and he's trying to use this to get a top townread killed.

I'll have to look more into which option is correct. Will wait to see other reactions

Does hitting a red-pilled person mean no kill? I thought I had heard that at some point, but I went back to look at the rules and didn't see anything.

How can it? Damo is dead, and he was a redpilled oracle.

[bo_sox48]

Whoah, nobody died. Nice.

Only way that happens is if scum hit the virus and virus held their shot (or hit a red-pilled person)

Nanook claimed RB yesterday

And Nanook out of the blue claims Bunny is virus and we should hang them immediately.

Three possibilities as far as I see.

One - Nanook is telling the truth, is on the ship, and Bunny is the virus.

Two - Nanook is actually the virus. Scum found Nanook N3 with their roleblock and put a NK on them tonight. He's advocating a hanging of most people's top town read to make him look scummy so we'll do him next.

Three - Nanook is scum. Fake claimed the RB N3, scum hit the real virus last night, and he's trying to use this to get a top townread killed.

I'll have to look more into which option is correct. Will wait to see other reactions

Does hitting a red-pilled person mean no kill? I thought I had heard that at some point, but I went back to look at the rules and didn't see anything.

Redpill is immune from the virus, not from the mafia kill.

[ghug]

Whoah, nobody died. Nice.

Only way that happens is if scum hit the virus and virus held their shot (or hit a red-pilled person)

Nanook claimed RB yesterday

And Nanook out of the blue claims Bunny is virus and we should hang them immediately.

Three possibilities as far as I see.

One - Nanook is telling the truth, is on the ship, and Bunny is the virus.

Two - Nanook is actually the virus. Scum found Nanook N3 with their roleblock and put a NK on them tonight. He's advocating a hanging of most people's top town read to make him look scummy so we'll do him next.

Three - Nanook is scum. Fake claimed the RB N3, scum hit the real virus last night, and he's trying to use this to get a top townread killed.

I'll have to look more into which option is correct. Will wait to see other reactions

Does hitting a red-pilled person mean no kill? I thought I had heard that at some point, but I went back to look at the rules and didn't see anything.

How can it? Damo is dead, and he was a redpilled oracle.

I'm assuming he means "person in the act of red pillage", but it still seems wrong.