MAFIA 43 - GAME THREAD

[xorxes]

DUP

OH SUGAR

I thought party whip returned Con/Non Con not actual party.

I hard claim I am not CHIEF WHIP

damo is a good choice for the conservative lynch today since it will not risk outing the party cop. Also, I think there is a good chance damo is one of the scum based on when and how he claimed conservative.

Or, we lynch Neph and let the Journalist expose damo.

The journalist needs to be careful not to expose the Party Cop, so damo would be the perfect choice if they need to expose someone tonight. If they feel safe it may be better for them to wait, but since we don't know who they are we don't know how exposed they are to a Mafia NK.

[Squigs44]

I dont particularly think it matters who we kill on the con side. Unless all the scum are caught we're all gonna die.

That being said I do think damo is a good bet ##vote damo

Well it actually does matter. Its the difference between auto win with a mass claim and (close to?) lylo.

[Squigs44]

Back to ##vote Nephthys

[worcej]

So I see three options for voting currently:

• Neph
• Damo
• Ike

Here is my take on the three:
Neph - I also think his voters are a majority of lurkers (ND, Percy, and Fox) and xorxes just sheeped Ezio post-PR reveal. ND/Percy/Fox are all non-cons, so I think this is lazy town more than scum influenced, being that xorxes and one of the above are the only scum options.

Damo - His wagon looks similar to Nephs, 3 non-cons and two con (Neph and Ike). Similar scum issues present as Nephs, but also unlikely. I don't scum read Ike currently, so maybe one scum vote is here, two if you actually scum read Neph. This seems mostly town pushed currently.

Ike - Also in the same boat. Flash as the only con, which I town read currently. So this one is mostly all town.

Other comments:
I don't like how Squigs, based on my read, made Flash's claim more obvious than it already was.

Anyways, honestly I am liking the spread of votes currently. I think the remaining voters in cons (rdr and Durga) probably can't swing this too much, so if they are scum they would be easily exposed on how they vote from here on.

I'll go with my traditional vote of ##vote Damo - You are not providing value currently and your list did come off as artificial.

[xorxes]

I am slightly townreading flash at this point based on the people voting for him.

[worcej]

What? Flash explicitly said he crumbed and pointed out what he crumbed...

He pointed out how - but the connection of 'whip it' was not as obvious to what his role was unless you read the roles heavily.

[thamrick]

So I see three options for voting currently:

• Neph
• Damo
• Ike

Here is my take on the three:
Neph - I also think his voters are a majority of lurkers (ND, Percy, and Fox) and xorxes just sheeped Ezio post-PR reveal. ND/Percy/Fox are all non-cons, so I think this is lazy town more than scum influenced, being that xorxes and one of the above are the only scum options.

Damo - His wagon looks similar to Nephs, 3 non-cons and two con (Neph and Ike). Similar scum issues present as Nephs, but also unlikely. I don't scum read Ike currently, so maybe one scum vote is here, two if you actually scum read Neph. This seems mostly town pushed currently.

Ike - Also in the same boat. Flash as the only con, which I town read currently. So this one is mostly all town.

Other comments:
I don't like how Squigs, based on my read, made Flash's claim more obvious than it already was.

Anyways, honestly I am liking the spread of votes currently. I think the remaining voters in cons (rdr and Durga) probably can't swing this too much, so if they are scum they would be easily exposed on how they vote from here on.

I'll go with my traditional vote of ##vote Damo - You are not providing value currently and your list did come off as artificial.

I.... don't really get what you're saying here? You're saying that all three wagons are mostly town? Wouldn't this be true of pretty much any wagon? Where do you think the scum votes are?

[thamrick]

I am slightly townreading flash at this point based on the people voting for him.

So you scumread Tom, rdr, and damo? Or at least some combination of those 3

[thamrick]

What? Flash explicitly said he crumbed and pointed out what he crumbed...

He pointed out how - but the connection of 'whip it' was not as obvious to what his role was unless you read the roles heavily.

As far as obscure crumbs go, that one is pretty mild once pointed out as a crumb.

[xorxes]

I am slightly townreading flash at this point based on the people voting for him.

So you scumread Tom, rdr, and damo? Or at least some combination of those 3

I scumread rdr and damo, and I'm slightly suspicious of Tom. Unlikely that all three would be voting together if they are all scum though.

[Squigs44]

What? Flash explicitly said he crumbed and pointed out what he crumbed...

He pointed out how - but the connection of 'whip it' was not as obvious to what his role was unless you read the roles heavily.

I forget that I'm the only one who actually reads the set up.

Okay, so you don't like what I did. Why don't you like it? Did I help out scum by showing them fake crumbs? Or do you not like it because my comment drew more attention to flash, your scummate?

[xorxes]

What? Flash explicitly said he crumbed and pointed out what he crumbed...

He pointed out how - but the connection of 'whip it' was not as obvious to what his role was unless you read the roles heavily.

I forget that I'm the only one who actually reads the set up.

Okay, so you don't like what I did. Why don't you like it? Did I help out scum by showing them fake crumbs? Or do you not like it because my comment drew more attention to flash, your scummate?

worcej is not scum, just silly town.

[xorxes]

He pointed out how - but the connection of 'whip it' was not as obvious to what his role was unless you read the roles heavily.

I forget that I'm the only one who actually reads the set up.

Okay, so you don't like what I did. Why don't you like it? Did I help out scum by showing them fake crumbs? Or do you not like it because my comment drew more attention to flash, your scummate?

worcej is not scum, just silly town.

A good rule of thumb is to townread anyone that worcej scumreads, and viceversa. Historically proven to be 99% effective.

Which makes me think damo may be town after all, which is still a good target for the journalist as a cleared con backbencher would be just as valuable if not even more valuable than an exposed scum.

[thamrick]

He pointed out how - but the connection of 'whip it' was not as obvious to what his role was unless you read the roles heavily.

I forget that I'm the only one who actually reads the set up.

Okay, so you don't like what I did. Why don't you like it? Did I help out scum by showing them fake crumbs? Or do you not like it because my comment drew more attention to flash, your scummate?

worcej is not scum, just silly town.

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[thamrick]

I am slightly townreading flash at this point based on the people voting for him.

So you scumread Tom, rdr, and damo? Or at least some combination of those 3

I scumread rdr and damo, and I'm slightly suspicious of Tom. Unlikely that all three would be voting together if they are all scum though.

I guess that was more my question - which of them do you scumread

Why rdr?

[thamrick]

And while you're at it xorxes, why do you scumread damo?

[xorxes]

So you scumread Tom, rdr, and damo? Or at least some combination of those 3

I scumread rdr and damo, and I'm slightly suspicious of Tom. Unlikely that all three would be voting together if they are all scum though.

I guess that was more my question - which of them do you scumread

Why rdr?

I already explained it, but: his vote for brainbomb seemed very scummy to me, and with Attorney practically outing himself as scum, it makes a lot of sense of brainbomb's EOD1 behavior if his two competing wagons were more valuable scum roles.

[xorxes]

And while you're at it xorxes, why do you scumread damo?

His reads list was truly awful, and his catching up posts where he did nothing but correct people's grammar and such were equally awful. Also some other things he said that I'd have to read back to point out.

I don't want to lynch him now though, I want the journalist to expose him.

[Attorney]

oops
invalid vote
##Vote Nep

[Attorney]

Why? Attorney could well be Arlene Foster.

In which case, our best strategy would be to give the party cop a chance to investigate Attorney before we consider lynching him.

I feel like I have been through this same argument more times than there are players...

Party cop scans Attorney who (say) is revealed as non-con. Party cop is outed and nothing really learnt as he could still be Arlene Foster. What am I missing?

party cop is basically something that says the parties, so if I am scanned i would show up as labour
but if i was arlene foster i would be outed and then town would have autowin