Mafia 57 Matrix

[BunnyGo]

@Bismarck what’s your background? Have you played here before? Played a lot on other mafia forums? Played a lot face-to-face?

Playing Diplomacy since I was 16. Lots of mafia FTF with family/friends; only web mafia has been here.

But you’ve played mafia games here before?

[BunnyGo]

How f*^%ing dumb are you?!

Sorry. That was too rude. I’m done. Someone else do it.

I offered my 5 scums. Damo said I could be 80% correct (ie 4/5) and then voted me. Now, it is midnight for me and I need sleep, but, didn't Damo imply he reads one of my 5 as Town and the other 4/5 as possible scum?? Is my question DUMB ??

Yes. Damo has said multiple times he only has three strong reads. All town. One is himself. How does he know the other two? But clearly you hit one of those two in your list.

[Tom Bombadil]

##vote Bismarck.

I’ll be honest, I feel a little lost here. Nanooks snarkiness comes across as town not caring about being flipped because then they can say I told you so I’m the god thread.

Bismarck is coming across as more calm, cool and collected - whereas I would expect a towny to show a little more frustration I guess.

I dunno.

[BismarckAlive]

Not gonna grill you.

Do you think Bismarck’s implicit assumptions in his error suggest he knew that scum RBd worcej? That’s what I hear:

“Of course scum will fall for it because we did block worcej”

Of course scum would know whether they roleblocked Worcej or not!! DUH! And while we are at it, scum would have received a PM such as "Your action failed" because Worcej DID NOT HAVE ANY ACTIONS!! What I am THEORISING is that Worcej made it up!! Now, the only people that would "KNOW" the truth 100% would be scum...so did you just out yourself by hounding this supposed "scumslip" from me for the last few hours ???? Are you implying you KNOW Worcej is telling the truth ???

Bismarck, scum didn't get that message. There are reasons that make a roleblock fail, but the target having no action isn't one.
Also, there is no fucking reason for a VT to fake a roleblock on this setup, so Bunny, I and anyone that can understand the setup assumes that Worcej was telling the truth.

So, again I ask the question NOONE HAS ANSWERED:

Does a VT that gets roleblocked get a PM from the GMs saying: "You were roleblocked"?

The answer to this question has nothing to do with the setup (which I have read, and think I understand).

Tell you what: I will ask Flum!

//GM CALL
Hi Flum,
Does a VT that gets roleblocked get a PM from the GMs saying: "You were roleblocked"?
Thanks!

[Tom Bombadil]

Yes. The player who is roleblocked will get a PM telling them that.

[Tom Bombadil]

Anybody want to lynch ghug for being super active in the beginning and then choosing not to lead town, which he normally likes to do. I literally don’t even know if I could tell you a single read ghug has.

That’s probably some on me - and it’s weird I’m considering voting for someone and I don’t even really know their reads, but I don’t remember playing which ghug and having to look back to see what his reads are. Usually he is actively pushing reads.

[BunnyGo]

Yes. The player who is roleblocked will get a PM telling them that.

But I’m still curious what you think worcej’s motivations were of he didn’t.

[Tom Bombadil]

Yes. The player who is roleblocked will get a PM telling them that.

But I’m still curious what you think worcej’s motivations were of he didn’t.

This is not directed at me is it? This is for Bismarck?

[BismarckAlive]

Ok. Thought experiment here on possible scum thinking (assuming Damo is Town):

(0) We don't know whether Virus has been redpilled.
(1) Damo just had a brain explosion and outed himself as a PR. 100% nightkill sometime...
(2) Wow! Worcej just claimed having been roleblocked! We know he is not scum, so he is either PR or Virus! Why not kill him first instead and see what he flips?

Maybe VT Worcej simply sacrificed himself for the greater Town good, and scum bought it...

Are you actually not trying at all?

Question:

How does Town!worcej claiming roleblock help town.

Be as detailed as you can.

Again? Thought experiment:

Vanilla Town Worcej sees a brain fart from Damo pointing to Damo being a NEB occupant and thinks: what might save Damo tonight? Ah! (a lightbulb moment) and thinks that his lowly VT role can be sacrificed for Damo (ie Worcej gets killed instead of Damo).

Or, maybe VT Worcej is BORED out of his brains, and makes up being a PR by claiming RB.

[goldfinger0303]

goldfinger, you have 6 people you scumread more than me, and yet you park your vote on me? Why not vote your reads?

If you read my posts, Bismarck, you would see my reasoning. I don't have nearly as many as Bunny, so it shouldn't be as hard. I wanted to put a little pressure on you to come out and play, but haven't really much liked what you had to say. I still want to see a vote from you.

But while there's still time to apply pressure, ##vote theflyingboat. Come out, come out, wherever you are.

[BunnyGo]

Yes. The player who is roleblocked will get a PM telling them that.

But I’m still curious what you think worcej’s motivations were of he didn’t.

This is not directed at me is it? This is for Bismarck?

Yes sorry. Pronouns. For Bismarck. Like, he’s saying:

if worcej doesn’t get a PM he somehow guessed he was RBd. Risked looking like a fake claim to a PR who WAS roleblocked. And decided to “trick” scum

[goldfinger0303]

Again? Thought experiment:

Vanilla Town Worcej sees a brain fart from Damo pointing to Damo being a NEB occupant and thinks: what might save Damo tonight? Ah! (a lightbulb moment) and thinks that his lowly VT role can be sacrificed for Damo (ie Worcej gets killed instead of Damo).

Or, maybe VT Worcej is BORED out of his brains, and makes up being a PR by claiming RB.

In what world would scum look at an RB claim from someone who wasn't RB'd and go "yep, that's who we should hit right there" when damo is a screaming target right infront of them?

[goldfinger0303]

Also, mental note - have not heard from HR, Jamiet or therul in a day. Has Britain exploded or something?

[BismarckAlive]

But how many times will Bismarck be caught saying something scummy. Lying about what he saw when. Lurking on the page and then showing up as soon as called and saying "oh, I keep the page open...but not lurking" (hint Bis: I keep the page open all the time, literally, but if I'm not actively using that tab, I don't show up)

Then his day 2 ISO reads like the scummiest scum that ever scummed. I challenge anyone here to read it. Go now. To the bot. Stop reading my post. Then come back and tell me that wasn't scummy.

I don't know what scummy things I have said, BunnyGo. Care to elucidate?

You're unaware of the two times you've been called out for scum slipping?

There you go! I thought I had already summarily dealt with those weak-as-piss supposed scum slips!! The page 8 thing about 4 or 5 scums?!!!!! HA! HA! HA! My supposed lurking because I was away for a while!!!! HA!! HA!! HA!! I am glad I am leaving this thread right now with a broad smile on my face. It's ok - another VT dies soon...I am certainly going to bed now, but will try have an alarm to wake me at least 1 1/2 hours before EoD. I will still try to stop Town from another misdaykill, but, alas!! "Who am I to change the winds...". We will see...

[BunnyGo]

Also, mental note - have not heard from HR, Jamiet or therul in a day. Has Britain exploded or something?

Maybe? Maybe the pubs stayed open late?

Taking my own advice, my current backup vote options are:

HR
FlyingBoat
Temasek

[BunnyGo]

Again? Thought experiment:

Vanilla Town Worcej sees a brain fart from Damo pointing to Damo being a NEB occupant and thinks: what might save Damo tonight? Ah! (a lightbulb moment) and thinks that his lowly VT role can be sacrificed for Damo (ie Worcej gets killed instead of Damo).

Or, maybe VT Worcej is BORED out of his brains, and makes up being a PR by claiming RB.

In what world would scum look at an RB claim from someone who wasn't RB'd and go "yep, that's who we should hit right there" when damo is a screaming target right infront of them?

That said. At this point I’m really starting to think he’s new deranged town. This is a hard style of defense for a new scum to pull off, even with daychat. Maybe rdr and nanook are right?

[BunnyGo]

Ok gold, let’s see. ##vote theflying

[therul]

You guys are prolific, I get caught up and I am behind again!
I go back to search why I think Bismark, but other than bunny saying so, I can't find another reason.
Now, I am atleast 15 pages behind, and I still have to get work done.
why did i need a job again?

[BunnyGo]

You guys are prolific, I get caught up and I am behind again!
I go back to search why I think Bismark, but other than bunny saying so, I can't find another reason.
Now, I am atleast 15 pages behind, and I still have to get work done.
why did i need a job again?

You missed the recent game without me where there were something like 80 pages a day

[BismarckAlive]

##vote Bismarck.

I’ll be honest, I feel a little lost here. Nanooks snarkiness comes across as town not caring about being flipped because then they can say I told you so I’m the god thread.

Bismarck is coming across as more calm, cool and collected - whereas I would expect a towny to show a little more frustration I guess.

I dunno.

It's OK. I call out your lack of meaningful contributions, and call you outright scum for protecting people I deem scum, and, lo and behold, I come onto your radar and you vote (ooh, let's guess.....) ME!

Or are you simply trying to save your noob scum mate Nanook?

I will ponder this more when I awaken in about 5 1/2 hours' time...