Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD
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Re: Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD
I think this is the first post where you mentioned Vecna, and you had previously been town reading rdrivera. Why did you include them in your top 5 mafia prediction at the time?kingofthepirates wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 7:54 pmoof, lotta things happened since last night, I'm honestly pretty lost rn... but I see something to do, so here's minebozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 7:34 pmRemaining scum predictions:
Vecna: Hamilton sweetandcool worcej
ghug: bozo Hamilton rdrivera
bozo: Bonatogether rdrivera worcej
sweetandcool: Vecna rdrivera LoW
Jamie: LoW bozo damo/rdrivera/sweetandcool
Spartaculous: rdrivera LoW Bonatogether
Hamilton: Vecna damo LoW
LoW: sweetandcool Jamie BunnyGo
LoW, then 2 of rdr/ham/vecna/damo. slight lean towards damo as 1 over everyone else, but nothing significant. slight lean against rdr, but similarly nothing significant. spartaculous's analysis wayyy earlier pushed them off my scum radar.
I don't have any other reasons to add, reasons that other ppl have mentioned have convinced me. Still super tired, but open to discussion.
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Why do you think the mafia did not use the RB N2? Did you consider the possibility that the player RBed did not claim it?kingofthepirates wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:21 pmGotcha. No RB is really weird, scum is either up to something super devious, or they messed up hard, or they’re pretty stupid for not using the RB. Regarding ham, I ve thought it over slightly and am currently considering swapping my vote over there. The reasoning is starting to bug me ngl. Not the best vibes.damo666 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:15 pmNot really, mainly discussion re Ham and why we've had no RB claim.kingofthepirates wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:13 pmTesting done for now, anything major I missed? If not I’ll take my time catching up and nothing anything at finds my attention.
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Re: Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD
1. He has never been on a top wagon.sweetandcool wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 12:57 amI'd like to hear a more comprehensive case from you about Bozo.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:11 pmWell if nothing else is going to be revealed, ##Vote Bozotheclown
2. His absolute insistence, for days and days, that Bona and Sweet must both be scum, looks like an attempt to get at least one of them miskilled.
3. His endvoting shenanigans at two separate times today.
4. His rapid vote-moving on D3 contributed to the Vecna wagon evaporating (see my post on page 93 about this).
5. Also on D3 he voted Hamilton Brian at a key period, despite moments earlier not having listed HB in his top three scumreads.
6. Both Balki and BunnyGo scumread Bozo at least up to D4 and they have generally been among the best performing townies in this game (while alive).
More points of suspicion if I can go back and check more things, but that's plenty to chew on.
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You could clarify this yourself by re-casting your vote instead of bothering the GM.
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Re: Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD
It happens I noticed this post again while looking back over Bozo's play:
Or would he include one scum there?
Would scum Vecna list three town as his "very easy poe"?
Or would he include one scum there?
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Correction to (1):Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 9:51 am1. He has never been on a top wagon.sweetandcool wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 12:57 amI'd like to hear a more comprehensive case from you about Bozo.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:11 pmWell if nothing else is going to be revealed, ##Vote Bozotheclown
2. His absolute insistence, for days and days, that Bona and Sweet must both be scum, looks like an attempt to get at least one of them miskilled.
3. His endvoting shenanigans at two separate times today.
4. His rapid vote-moving on D3 contributed to the Vecna wagon evaporating (see my post on page 93 about this).
5. Also on D3 he voted Hamilton Brian at a key period, despite moments earlier not having listed HB in his top three scumreads.
6. Both Balki and BunnyGo scumread Bozo at least up to D4 and they have generally been among the best performing townies in this game (while alive).
More points of suspicion if I can go back and check more things, but that's plenty to chew on.
He has never been on a top wagon _on a day not driven by mechanical guilty scans_.
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Re: Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD
I'll join you there jamie, one part self-preservation and one part it's likely a wasgon won't really form on king or anyone else.
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I also think a flash END will be in poor form since this might be the day cop does need to claim. I take the bullet it's going to be 4-1 and town need to be able make the right decision D8.
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Re: Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD
What do you call D2 when he tied for top wagon?Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 10:55 amCorrection to (1):Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 9:51 am1. He has never been on a top wagon.sweetandcool wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 12:57 am
I'd like to hear a more comprehensive case from you about Bozo.
2. His absolute insistence, for days and days, that Bona and Sweet must both be scum, looks like an attempt to get at least one of them miskilled.
3. His endvoting shenanigans at two separate times today.
4. His rapid vote-moving on D3 contributed to the Vecna wagon evaporating (see my post on page 93 about this).
5. Also on D3 he voted Hamilton Brian at a key period, despite moments earlier not having listed HB in his top three scumreads.
6. Both Balki and BunnyGo scumread Bozo at least up to D4 and they have generally been among the best performing townies in this game (while alive).
More points of suspicion if I can go back and check more things, but that's plenty to chew on.
He has never been on a top wagon _on a day not driven by mechanical guilty scans_.
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I read your post and am struggling to find where you explained how Bozo's rapidfire votes contributed to Vecna's wagon dissolving.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 9:51 am1. He has never been on a top wagon.sweetandcool wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 12:57 amI'd like to hear a more comprehensive case from you about Bozo.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:11 pmWell if nothing else is going to be revealed, ##Vote Bozotheclown
2. His absolute insistence, for days and days, that Bona and Sweet must both be scum, looks like an attempt to get at least one of them miskilled.
3. His endvoting shenanigans at two separate times today.
4. His rapid vote-moving on D3 contributed to the Vecna wagon evaporating (see my post on page 93 about this).
5. Also on D3 he voted Hamilton Brian at a key period, despite moments earlier not having listed HB in his top three scumreads.
6. Both Balki and BunnyGo scumread Bozo at least up to D4 and they have generally been among the best performing townies in this game (while alive).
More points of suspicion if I can go back and check more things, but that's plenty to chew on.
Thanks for providing a case.
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Re: Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD
For number 4, you are talking abut D2, and if you look at the vote movements away from Vecna, Hamilton posted this before anyone moved their vote:Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 9:51 am1. He has never been on a top wagon.sweetandcool wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 12:57 amI'd like to hear a more comprehensive case from you about Bozo.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 11:11 pmWell if nothing else is going to be revealed, ##Vote Bozotheclown
2. His absolute insistence, for days and days, that Bona and Sweet must both be scum, looks like an attempt to get at least one of them miskilled.
3. His endvoting shenanigans at two separate times today.
4. His rapid vote-moving on D3 contributed to the Vecna wagon evaporating (see my post on page 93 about this).
5. Also on D3 he voted Hamilton Brian at a key period, despite moments earlier not having listed HB in his top three scumreads.
6. Both Balki and BunnyGo scumread Bozo at least up to D4 and they have generally been among the best performing townies in this game (while alive).
More points of suspicion if I can go back and check more things, but that's plenty to chew on.
Then, Hamilton posted this as soon as damo moved his vote to me:Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 7:46 pmBased on what I saw on D1, wrt Will's assessment of them as scum, I think Bozo and Bona are clear, unless there was the attempt to send them deep.
And then this piece that I pulled from Will's D1: "Some distancing from Worcej from what I read and some shading of Vecna. Does this cast a dark light on Worcej and help Vecna look a little cleaner?"
I am going to reassess my Vecna stance.
The only way I contributed to preventing a Vecna DK was inadvertently getting damo to vote for me.Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 7:49 pm##Vote worcej
It's the light/dark thing with Vecna based on my read of Will
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I think if you flipped Bozo and Vecna, ghug's long D2 readslist would have been 100% correct.
Mafia fear killed ghug over the obvious candidate for Cop, Sparta (or damo), which indicates ghug almost had it completely right.
In fact, with so many flips we can see that ghug only made one mistake, and that was with Vecna/Bozo
(Or Vecna/Ham).
So if we just flip those two it seems we win.
I want to flip Ham first. There have been plenty of low engagement games by Gam where he knows he will be busy and he has never done this crumb before.
He also supported the counter wagon against Will at a time Mafia would likely be able to. He also fits the profile of the scumteam.
Are we really supposing Bozo would fail so badly as to not hit the Clerk by now? I feel like it's something Bozo would be better at.
Mafia fear killed ghug over the obvious candidate for Cop, Sparta (or damo), which indicates ghug almost had it completely right.
In fact, with so many flips we can see that ghug only made one mistake, and that was with Vecna/Bozo
(Or Vecna/Ham).
So if we just flip those two it seems we win.
I want to flip Ham first. There have been plenty of low engagement games by Gam where he knows he will be busy and he has never done this crumb before.
He also supported the counter wagon against Will at a time Mafia would likely be able to. He also fits the profile of the scumteam.
Are we really supposing Bozo would fail so badly as to not hit the Clerk by now? I feel like it's something Bozo would be better at.
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I would have preferred kingofthepirates to be more involved today, but I still would like to find out about Hamilton first.
I can see Hamilton using fake cop crumbs to try to draw a NK, but I would not expect him to claim at EOD to avoid the DK as town. Although it is possible, Hamilton then immediately reassessing his scum read of Vecna is too much to ignore.
I suspect Hamilton soft claimed when he saw he was getting votes, then realized that his claim could result in Vecna getting DKed, so he looked for a way to justify moving his vote, quoting his own post from early D2 as a reason. He did not explain why he ignored his earlier D2 post when he voted for Vecna at a time Vecna was the top wagon.
I can see Hamilton using fake cop crumbs to try to draw a NK, but I would not expect him to claim at EOD to avoid the DK as town. Although it is possible, Hamilton then immediately reassessing his scum read of Vecna is too much to ignore.
I suspect Hamilton soft claimed when he saw he was getting votes, then realized that his claim could result in Vecna getting DKed, so he looked for a way to justify moving his vote, quoting his own post from early D2 as a reason. He did not explain why he ignored his earlier D2 post when he voted for Vecna at a time Vecna was the top wagon.
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Great narratives of what it is presumed I did BUT wrong.
Anyway, just in case King comes in and lands a vote on bozo, I don't want a tie.
##VOTE No-Kill
Just make sure you know who your next mafiaread is.
Anyway, just in case King comes in and lands a vote on bozo, I don't want a tie.
##VOTE No-Kill
Just make sure you know who your next mafiaread is.
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I tried to make it clear as I could D5 (without being too obvious to the mafia) that I knew BunnyGo and Balki were not the cop, so to think I NKed BunnyGo, RBed Balki, and let the cop get another scan, I would have had to be risking another cop scan to make myself look more like town.sweetandcool wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:45 pmI think if you flipped Bozo and Vecna, ghug's long D2 readslist would have been 100% correct.
Mafia fear killed ghug over the obvious candidate for Cop, Sparta (or damo), which indicates ghug almost had it completely right.
In fact, with so many flips we can see that ghug only made one mistake, and that was with Vecna/Bozo
(Or Vecna/Ham).
So if we just flip those two it seems we win.
I want to flip Ham first. There have been plenty of low engagement games by Gam where he knows he will be busy and he has never done this crumb before.
He also supported the counter wagon against Will at a time Mafia would likely be able to. He also fits the profile of the scumteam.
Are we really supposing Bozo would fail so badly as to not hit the Clerk by now? I feel like it's something Bozo would be better at.
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Sources pleasebozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:57 pmI tried to make it clear as I could D5 (without being too obvious to the mafia) that I knew BunnyGo and Balki were not the cop, so to think I NKed BunnyGo, RBed Balki, and let the cop get another scan, I would have had to be risking another cop scan to make myself look more like town.sweetandcool wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:45 pmI think if you flipped Bozo and Vecna, ghug's long D2 readslist would have been 100% correct.
Mafia fear killed ghug over the obvious candidate for Cop, Sparta (or damo), which indicates ghug almost had it completely right.
In fact, with so many flips we can see that ghug only made one mistake, and that was with Vecna/Bozo
(Or Vecna/Ham).
So if we just flip those two it seems we win.
I want to flip Ham first. There have been plenty of low engagement games by Gam where he knows he will be busy and he has never done this crumb before.
He also supported the counter wagon against Will at a time Mafia would likely be able to. He also fits the profile of the scumteam.
Are we really supposing Bozo would fail so badly as to not hit the Clerk by now? I feel like it's something Bozo would be better at.
Convince the jury.
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Since we are not getting a ruling on this, I suggest re-voting for Hamilton if that is your intended vote.
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Everything I posted from this post until EOD:sweetandcool wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:58 pmSources pleasebozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:57 pmI tried to make it clear as I could D5 (without being too obvious to the mafia) that I knew BunnyGo and Balki were not the cop, so to think I NKed BunnyGo, RBed Balki, and let the cop get another scan, I would have had to be risking another cop scan to make myself look more like town.sweetandcool wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:45 pmI think if you flipped Bozo and Vecna, ghug's long D2 readslist would have been 100% correct.
Mafia fear killed ghug over the obvious candidate for Cop, Sparta (or damo), which indicates ghug almost had it completely right.
In fact, with so many flips we can see that ghug only made one mistake, and that was with Vecna/Bozo
(Or Vecna/Ham).
So if we just flip those two it seems we win.
I want to flip Ham first. There have been plenty of low engagement games by Gam where he knows he will be busy and he has never done this crumb before.
He also supported the counter wagon against Will at a time Mafia would likely be able to. He also fits the profile of the scumteam.
Are we really supposing Bozo would fail so badly as to not hit the Clerk by now? I feel like it's something Bozo would be better at.
Convince the jury.
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 3:44 pmAfter reviewing everything, DiplomacyandWarfare and kingofthepirates seem more likely to be mafia to me, which would be somewhat disappointing, because that would mean the mafia team was not very active after D1.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 3:30 pmWhat changed your mind about Sweet?bozotheclown wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 3:24 pmIt may be possible that Vecna is the miller, but I doubt he is town at this point.
With the bot available again I have been able to review the game, and with the assumption that Vecna is town, I now think rdrivera and kingofthepirates are the most likely D1 bussers.
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Sorry if I am wrong. If you are town, it was a good attempt at drawing the NK, and if you are mafia, it was as good attempt at forcing the cop to reveal.Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 4:56 pmGreat narratives of what it is presumed I did BUT wrong.
Anyway, just in case King comes in and lands a vote on bozo, I don't want a tie.
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