Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

This was before Ham explained himself. damo did not start treating the situation the way he did until AFTER Ham explained himself. Which is the SAME as me.

damo clearly said to hold off with Ham early D2.

I dunno why you're arguing about this. Here's a cookie. You did a good job. Now vote for scum....

My point is not for credit. My point is that you make an argument as to why Mafia thought damo was Cop and consequently why Ham is Town, when your argument could just as easily have applied to me.

It makes me paranoid that you and Ham are scummates and this was your plan to not just get him off the hook but create a deepscum.

The fact that you are advocating for a dodgy Cop reveal scene reinforcess feeling.

The fact that Sparta has come up with a good reason why Ham could be scum also makes for confusing situation. How can there be strong logical reasons for reading him either way?

I really don't like the gamestate now. Is it a coincidence? Is Bunny right but combining that with dodgy play? Is Sparta just scum confusing us? Yikes I don't know.

The cop claiming idea is a known strategy called hypo claiming:

"Hypo: From hypothetical. A gambit in which all players claim the same investigative role, and deliver a report, typically with the intention that the real role will be able to disclose their report without attracting Mafia attention."

Considering we are on D4, and the cop can't report claims at EON, I don't think it is a questionable thing to suggest.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I am not in favor of hypo claiming in this position.

Let's trust our cop. If cop believes they have info to bring forward that is worth a reveal, they will do that. If they believe it is a better strategy to lie low, get another scan, and rely on us all to go back and read their posts in the event that they are killed, that's fine too.

The Cop has the info necessary to make this strategic call.

[sweetandcool]

I think I've just solved the game.

The reason everything has become so difficult and several good arguments have arisen is that scum is lurking and/or voting low impact content.

The scum team is Dip, Vecna, and Ham.

Small chance I am wrong about Ham. But he looks partnered with Dip.

[bozotheclown]

Just noticed you wanted explanation for sparta. Mainly for the same reason as Balki and you, too scum read by brain, who is now dead. Now I won’t speak for everyone, but if one were scum and a new player, I think the first instinct would be to quickly shoot people who sus’d me.

My main reason for scum reading Sparta is not because brainbomb scum read him.

Is that your only reason for scum reading him?

Kinda, it’s 100% not the strongest reason to vote for someone, but in all honesty I don’t really see any particular alternatives. Indeed, it was kind of a throw away, just random ramblings in my mind (I basically didn’t filter anything while writing) Also, you said this in your Sparta vote post:

Let's start with brainbomb's strongest scumread, which really makes sense to me:

##VOTE Sparta

In my eyes it seems like you voted Sparta bc of brain’s scum read, or at least took brain’s read into consideration.

##VOTE Sparta

Just noticed this proc’d the bot. Fixing now

##unvote

What did you mean by the second post?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I think I've just solved the game.

The reason everything has become so difficult and several good arguments have arisen is that scum is lurking and/or voting low impact content.

The scum team is Dip, Vecna, and Ham.

Small chance I am wrong about Ham. But he looks partnered with Dip.

I'm glad to hear that you have such confidence.

Is that the whole reason?

What exactly "has become so difficult"? And what do you mean that "several good arguments have arisen"?

Are you saying that those three players have the "lowest impact content"? What does that mean?

Why do you think that the scum team must be the three "lowest impact content" players and not just 3 "fairly low impact content" players?

Are there other reasons why whatever you've observed regarding "everything has become so difficult" other than that the scum team is exactly those three players?

[bozotheclown]

Who asserted sweet was openwolfing on D1 or D2? does anyone else remember that?

Vecna said that at one point.

[Hamilton Brian]

I think I've just solved the game.

The reason everything has become so difficult and several good arguments have arisen is that scum is lurking and/or voting low impact content.

The scum team is Dip, Vecna, and Ham.

Small chance I am wrong about Ham. But he looks partnered with Dip.

You've swung through trees and hit your head.
You are DEFINITELY wrong on me or you are intentionally dragging me.

[Hamilton Brian]

Problem now is we can't go back and get posts. We can't really even VCA our way through this unless someone has screenshots or something.

In that case, I think the hypoclaim is something that needs to happen. At some point mafia hit cop; I am not sure how much longer cop evades mafia.

[bozotheclown]

Is nobody reading what Dip is writing? I don't think it could look much worse.

##VOTE Dip

That is another possible busing slot, but kingofthepirates looks more likely to be bussing, although it could be both.

[Hamilton Brian]

Remaining players are:
Balki
Bona
Bozo
Bunny
Dip/Rivera
Hamilton
Jamie
King
Sparta
Sweet
Vecna
Worcej

Am I missing anything?

Is it considered buddying when one defends another player to an extreme degree? Damo did. I think Sparta did it. I thought sweet did it but now they're changing their tune.


But we know damo was town, so it was an honest gesture.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Is nobody reading what Dip is writing? I don't think it could look much worse.

##VOTE Dip

That is another possible busing slot, but kingofthepirates looks more likely to be bussing, although it could be both.

You think that kingofpirates, in his second game, drew mafia for the first time, and on the first day, he bussed his godfather (a more experienced player) to death?

[kingofthepirates]

When I questioned kingofthepirates about his Just vote, he delayed answering, possibly to figure out some justifiable reasons:

I hate to bring out of game issues into this, and if you don't believe them then fine, but I legitimately was on the bus back and it was very difficult and annoying for me to check the logs, and I wanted to get a quick answer out first. furthermore I hadn't fully caught up yet so I threw this out as a preliminary answer.

Also, some of his response was questionable, like saying "damo's lack of particular caring about being a wagon tied for lead make me feel that they aren't mafia". damo only had 1 vote when he last posted 8.5 hours before EOD and Just did not have any votes when he last posted 2 hours before EOD, so that was not a legitimate reason to differentiate them.

I did not realize the timestamps of either of these, I didn't know they were inactive. I thought they were active, I missed that fact. So that's one reason out. but I my other reasons still hold and I stand by them.

What did you mean by the second post?

I meant that the way I copy/pasted sweet's vote message caused me to vote as well. I was too lazy to copy the quote syntax, so I just used the plain text. which proc'd (gaming lingo, basically meaning 'activated') the bot to count my vote, which I did not want.

[kingofthepirates]

Screenshot with the definition of proc. I unvoted because I'd prefer to be in unvote limbo if an endhammer comes than to hold onto a potential misvote during an endhammer.

[BunnyGo]

In the space of half an hour you wanted to endhammer Balki, then you wanted to endhammer KingofPirates, and now you're advocating votes on Sparta despite not voting him yourself.

Have your forgotten to take your ADHD medication or are you just looking for spurious wagons to start and/or push?

Why the Brainbomb impression?

Instead of distracting from the investigation with snide comments, you could investigate and hunt.

Genuine question, why are you spraying your vote around so much?

How does you voting KingofPirates for 90 seconds help hunt scum?

I’m expressing my thoughts.

Feeling it out.

Seeing who reacts and how.

For example: I’ve voted him much longer than that. Why would you phrase it that way?

[sweetandcool]

I think I've just solved the game.

The reason everything has become so difficult and several good arguments have arisen is that scum is lurking and/or voting low impact content.

The scum team is Dip, Vecna, and Ham.

Small chance I am wrong about Ham. But he looks partnered with Dip.

I'm glad to hear that you have such confidence.

Is that the whole reason?

What exactly "has become so difficult"? And what do you mean that "several good arguments have arisen"?

Are you saying that those three players have the "lowest impact content"? What does that mean?

Why do you think that the scum team must be the three "lowest impact content" players and not just 3 "fairly low impact content" players?

Are there other reasons why whatever you've observed regarding "everything has become so difficult" other than that the scum team is exactly those three players?

Way too exhausting to reply to this.

Just read my content and you will get the idea.

[sweetandcool]

Is nobody reading what Dip is writing? I don't think it could look much worse.

##VOTE Dip

That is another possible busing slot, but kingofthepirates looks more likely to be bussing, although it could be both.

You think that kingofpirates, in his second game, drew mafia for the first time, and on the first day, he bussed his godfather (a more experienced player) to death?

I think Will did that. Maybe it was his third?

But yeah, I particularly don't think Pirate is likely to do it.

[Balki Bartokomous]

That is another possible busing slot, but kingofthepirates looks more likely to be bussing, although it could be both.

You think that kingofpirates, in his second game, drew mafia for the first time, and on the first day, he bussed his godfather (a more experienced player) to death?

I think Will did that. Maybe it was his third?

But yeah, I particularly don't think Pirate is likely to do it.

Me neither.

[kingofthepirates]

And I’d rather ##vote king ##end

may I ask why you chose me over balki here? randomness or something else? not sure on votes right now, so you may very have moved off, but even so I would like to know the reasoning for why you picked me.

[kingofthepirates]

and if ur reasoning was the previous things you typed up, what do you think now that I've responded?

[Bonatogether]

Do we need to discuss this shit more?

Yes. I for one would like time to assess the gamestate. LoW flipping Town has cast everything into doubt for me.

I do have some thoughts I will post shortly.

yawn