Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[brainbomb]

low hanging fruit
newest of newbs
weakest of players at the game or at knowing all the various nuances

[worcej]

Just incase I miss EON due to my trip.

If I was a cop, I would scan snowy because I want to put some heat on him and make him melty.

[brainbomb]

So what do people think of Dip already posting his Cop scan hypothetical? Surprised there has been no comment.

Ich verstehe nicht.

well let me explain
so here is a picture of a lizard, and this lizard is trying to hold back the water coming from the faucet, and doesnt understand what is happening. the lizard, is bewildered you might say.

[Kakarroto]

This is nonsense
There's no way anyone saw Brian's vote on food as an angel on MMA action

well, I did. Maybe it's the aftereffects of my fever, maybe I'm just insane, but i sure as heck did read that into it

Please explain why

Brian stated that his reason for voting food was 'because he is town to null', and therefore 'can't be the mean machine'. He didn't vote a mafread, nor did he vote no-kill, he voted a slight town read of him.

Now that sparked quite the alarm bells with me, that is just bad logic, why would someone endanger a kinda townread of his, like voting him but not wanting others to vote him. That looked to me like distancing, or at least a bad attempt at distancing, plus with his reasoning 'not wanting to vote MMA' it just connected in my brain that he might just state the exact opposite of what he was trying to do, voting the mean machine, while also trying not to kill him with putting a 'town kinda' seal on him, while also kinda trying to distance him

[snowy801]

well, I did. Maybe it's the aftereffects of my fever, maybe I'm just insane, but i sure as heck did read that into it

Please explain why

Brian stated that his reason for voting food was 'because he is town to null', and therefore 'can't be the mean machine'. He didn't vote a mafread, nor did he vote no-kill, he voted a slight town read of him.

Now that sparked quite the alarm bells with me, that is just bad logic, why would someone endanger a kinda townread of his, like voting him but not wanting others to vote him. That looked to me like distancing, or at least a bad attempt at distancing, plus with his reasoning 'not wanting to vote MMA' it just connected in my brain that he might just state the exact opposite of what he was trying to do, voting the mean machine, while also trying not to kill him with putting a 'town kinda' seal on him, while also kinda trying to distance him

So to be clear you believed at the time what might have been happening is that Brian, an Angel, voted for foodcoats, Mean Machine Angel, singularly and randomly to empower a night kill which will be subsequently revealed the night after?

And this was not a momentary confusion in the eod chaos, but a lasting impression that you would've taken in to the next day, had Brian not flipped?

[sweetandcool]

Ich verstehe nicht.

well let me explain
so here is a picture of a lizard, and this lizard is trying to hold back the water coming from the faucet, and doesnt understand what is happening. the lizard, is bewildered you might say.

Oh okay, I thought it was washing its hands.

[Kakarroto]

Please explain why

Brian stated that his reason for voting food was 'because he is town to null', and therefore 'can't be the mean machine'. He didn't vote a mafread, nor did he vote no-kill, he voted a slight town read of him.

Now that sparked quite the alarm bells with me, that is just bad logic, why would someone endanger a kinda townread of his, like voting him but not wanting others to vote him. That looked to me like distancing, or at least a bad attempt at distancing, plus with his reasoning 'not wanting to vote MMA' it just connected in my brain that he might just state the exact opposite of what he was trying to do, voting the mean machine, while also trying not to kill him with putting a 'town kinda' seal on him, while also kinda trying to distance him

So to be clear you believed at the time what might have been happening is that Brian, an Angel, voted for foodcoats, Mean Machine Angel, singularly and randomly to empower a night kill which will be subsequently revealed the night after?

And this was not a momentary confusion in the eod chaos, but a lasting impression that you would've taken in to the next day, had Brian not flipped?

with how Brian had played before, he was in my top two mafia suspects together with dargo, so yeah. Maybe I would've reconsidered the theory later, since I wasn't 100% sold on it, but it sure made a lot of sense to me

[sweetandcool]

Please explain why

Brian stated that his reason for voting food was 'because he is town to null', and therefore 'can't be the mean machine'. He didn't vote a mafread, nor did he vote no-kill, he voted a slight town read of him.

Now that sparked quite the alarm bells with me, that is just bad logic, why would someone endanger a kinda townread of his, like voting him but not wanting others to vote him. That looked to me like distancing, or at least a bad attempt at distancing, plus with his reasoning 'not wanting to vote MMA' it just connected in my brain that he might just state the exact opposite of what he was trying to do, voting the mean machine, while also trying not to kill him with putting a 'town kinda' seal on him, while also kinda trying to distance him

So to be clear you believed at the time what might have been happening is that Brian, an Angel, voted for foodcoats, Mean Machine Angel, singularly and randomly to empower a night kill which will be subsequently revealed the night after?

And this was not a momentary confusion in the eod chaos, but a lasting impression that you would've taken in to the next day, had Brian not flipped?

I actually thought similarly.

Up until then Ham was null. Then the Food vote not only looked like it could be for the MMA, but it was infuriating that the two clear wagons were sweet and damo and instead of engaging with that, he just left an insincere vote on Food.

Of course, the paranoia about the MMA is a bit silly in hindsight, but at the time it did make me think of that.

[snowy801]

Brian stated that his reason for voting food was 'because he is town to null', and therefore 'can't be the mean machine'. He didn't vote a mafread, nor did he vote no-kill, he voted a slight town read of him.

Now that sparked quite the alarm bells with me, that is just bad logic, why would someone endanger a kinda townread of his, like voting him but not wanting others to vote him. That looked to me like distancing, or at least a bad attempt at distancing, plus with his reasoning 'not wanting to vote MMA' it just connected in my brain that he might just state the exact opposite of what he was trying to do, voting the mean machine, while also trying not to kill him with putting a 'town kinda' seal on him, while also kinda trying to distance him

So to be clear you believed at the time what might have been happening is that Brian, an Angel, voted for foodcoats, Mean Machine Angel, singularly and randomly to empower a night kill which will be subsequently revealed the night after?

And this was not a momentary confusion in the eod chaos, but a lasting impression that you would've taken in to the next day, had Brian not flipped?

with how Brian had played before, he was in my top two mafia suspects together with dargo, so yeah. Maybe I would've reconsidered the theory later, since I wasn't 100% sold on it, but it sure made a lot of sense to me

Thank you Kaka.

You mentioned earlier that you think it is less likely now that food is the MMA. Did you mean less than you previously believed, or less than the default state (random)?

Also, having seen Brian's flip, you earlier questioned how brain on Brian garnered so many votes if damo is town and and sweet null. How do you feel about those two individuals yourself?

[snowy801]

I of course mean to say "question brain on how Brian garnered..."

[sweetandcool]

I'm curious, what do people think of Food?

Somehow he didn't make an impression on me even though apparently he was a high poster.

I've heard at least a couple people claim he is Town. Why is that?

Currently null for me, obviously.

[Kakarroto]

So to be clear you believed at the time what might have been happening is that Brian, an Angel, voted for foodcoats, Mean Machine Angel, singularly and randomly to empower a night kill which will be subsequently revealed the night after?

And this was not a momentary confusion in the eod chaos, but a lasting impression that you would've taken in to the next day, had Brian not flipped?

with how Brian had played before, he was in my top two mafia suspects together with dargo, so yeah. Maybe I would've reconsidered the theory later, since I wasn't 100% sold on it, but it sure made a lot of sense to me

Thank you Kaka.

You mentioned earlier that you think it is less likely now that food is the MMA. Did you mean less than you previously believed, or less than the default state (random)?

Also, having seen Brian's flip, you earlier questioned how brain on Brian garnered so many votes if damo is town and and sweet null. How do you feel about those two individuals yourself?

with how nobody voted food after I went on him, I'm not sure if it's because everyone else townreads him or food is mafia and his team didn't want to vote for him ... although, if he is town, all mafia would know that. Hmm. I guess that is a point for food is town? At least a small point? And no mafia wanted to vote him there?

But back to the original question, I think food has a lower chance of being the machine right now, since we know all who voted for him were town, compared to all other wagons at EoD. Well beside Brian of course.

I would've said food is back to the default state, but maybe, with no one following to vote for food at the time, it's even less since it looks like he was town that no mafia wanted to dirty themselves on by voting him. Thoughts?

[Balki Bartokomous]

with how nobody voted food after I went on him, I'm not sure if it's because everyone else townreads him or food is mafia and his team didn't want to vote for him ... although, if he is town, all mafia would know that. Hmm. I guess that is a point for food is town? At least a small point? And no mafia wanted to vote him there?

What do you mean by the underlined statement?

[ND]

Yawn I guess I probably should start reading

[Kakarroto]

with how nobody voted food after I went on him, I'm not sure if it's because everyone else townreads him or food is mafia and his team didn't want to vote for him ... although, if he is town, all mafia would know that. Hmm. I guess that is a point for food is town? At least a small point? And no mafia wanted to vote him there?

What do you mean by the underlined statement?

I guess I made a mistake. Thinking about it again after you pointed it out, mafia only knows their group, not who town is. That was a mental fart. Welp, sorry. Can scratch the whole thought progress.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

What is lhf

Low hanging fruit, basically an easy flip

[Balki Bartokomous]

with how nobody voted food after I went on him, I'm not sure if it's because everyone else townreads him or food is mafia and his team didn't want to vote for him ... although, if he is town, all mafia would know that. Hmm. I guess that is a point for food is town? At least a small point? And no mafia wanted to vote him there?

What do you mean by the underlined statement?

I guess I made a mistake. Thinking about it again after you pointed it out, mafia only knows their group, not who town is. That was a mental fart. Welp, sorry. Can scratch the whole thought progress.

No problem. Can you try to recreate the thought process. I don't really follow it. Why were you suggesting that your vote on food, and the aftermath, suggested that food was a bit more likely to be town than had that not happened?

[snowy801]

with how Brian had played before, he was in my top two mafia suspects together with dargo, so yeah. Maybe I would've reconsidered the theory later, since I wasn't 100% sold on it, but it sure made a lot of sense to me

Thank you Kaka.

You mentioned earlier that you think it is less likely now that food is the MMA. Did you mean less than you previously believed, or less than the default state (random)?

Also, having seen Brian's flip, you earlier questioned how brain on Brian garnered so many votes if damo is town and and sweet null. How do you feel about those two individuals yourself?

with how nobody voted food after I went on him, I'm not sure if it's because everyone else townreads him or food is mafia and his team didn't want to vote for him ... although, if he is town, all mafia would know that. Hmm. I guess that is a point for food is town? At least a small point? And no mafia wanted to vote him there?

But back to the original question, I think food has a lower chance of being the machine right now, since we know all who voted for him were town, compared to all other wagons at EoD. Well beside Brian of course.

I would've said food is back to the default state, but maybe, with no one following to vote for food at the time, it's even less since it looks like he was town that no mafia wanted to dirty themselves on by voting him. Thoughts?

I read food as town independent of EoD, and do not see a particular reason to change that. Regardless, it did not appear that your vote on food would gain any particular traction (at least in my interpretation) so I do not particularly subscribe to the idea that nobody jumping on him makes him more towny

Further I am unsure what you mean by all mafia knowing that food is town. Could you clarify?

I think it was Will earlier who voiced what I think is a very reasonable opinion that the angels probably don't even want MMA empowered right now. What do you think about that?

And also I repeat my request for opinions on damo and sweet

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Ich verstehe nicht.

well let me explain
so here is a picture of a lizard, and this lizard is trying to hold back the water coming from the faucet, and doesnt understand what is happening. the lizard, is bewildered you might say.

He’s washing his hands :)

[Vecna]

with how nobody voted food after I went on him, I'm not sure if it's because everyone else townreads him or food is mafia and his team didn't want to vote for him ... although, if he is town, all mafia would know that. Hmm. I guess that is a point for food is town? At least a small point? And no mafia wanted to vote him there?

What do you mean by the underlined statement?

I guess I made a mistake. Thinking about it again after you pointed it out, mafia only knows their group, not who town is. That was a mental fart. Welp, sorry. Can scratch the whole thought progress.

This almost screams "please someone say i townslipped"