No Banana splits, but here's what I got from everything so far: ------------------------------------------------------ FBI & Dems: Memo being released is a threat to national security: LIE: There’s nothing in their that pertains to national security threats, or exposes such things. Schiff (Dems): GO...

I wonder what online streaming numbers there were, that's how I watched it and the stream I was on had over 10,000 just at the start

That said, trump is A. An idiot saying THOSE numbers were the biggest and B. The fact that he cares about this shit

Switzerland if you want the snow

California coast if you want the beach

Oklahoma if you want to have snow on Monday, 100 degree weather Tuesday, and die on Wednesday from 18 tornadoes killing your trailer park ass.

A complete shutdown of federal power would not be good, but I would like a focus on more localist policy in America.

well, only through congress do we vote on stuff, there's a lot of stuff that goes through executive agencies and never gets voted on.

which *technically* is kinda against the constitution, but precedents and whatnot keep them going

hmm.... it'd be interesting to split it up more @JK, one proposed method is splitting up California into 3 different states.

it's a massive landmass with a massive population base, but for the east coast and smaller heavily populated areas... it's hard to say

for people watching the thread but not understanding what a filibuster or nuclear option is:

https://www.vox.com/cards/myths-about-t ... ns-history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster#United_States

those are decent starting places

It was the right tactical move for Democrats to filibuster now and force the shutdown. It proves that the GOP cannot control its own caucus, that they are unwilling to compromise for the betterment of all Americans and residents of the United States, and that they are incapable of governing properl...

and with the shutdown (back to the OP) Democrats could be smarter about this though. they could just say "you know we don't support trump, so let the Republicans just vote on it." don't filibuster when the Republicans inevitably fail to get a majority, then Democrats can sit back and can lay claim t...

@CAPT

there's also a WIDE variety of lawyers, many are hired for legal advice, and never need go near a courtroom

sorry @Ogion
I didn't read In Capt's comment the "too" part, i thought he JUST meant "We should shut off all payments to non government people" but he meant it along with the entire gov't

my bad

@Ogion

the military still gets funding during a gov't shut down...

do you actually know what's going on?

Yeah, I would much rather have a multi-party system in America, like many other countries, so we wouldn't have this problem. But who's ever going to take the Green Tea Libertarian Parties seriously? But... we don't have a 2-party system. we have a multi-party system which 2 parties dominate. there'...

This is an obvious bias tester: when Republicans stalled under Obama and caused a shutdown, who did you blame? now Democrats are stalling under Trump, who are you blaming? there's 3 different scenarios for: 1. the shutdown is bad, and it's on the minority party 2. the shutdown is bad, and it's on th...

the quoting feature on the site bugs me, but I'll adapt later

"leon, if there are minimum wage violations then the employers need to be in prison. That isn't different if the workers are documented or not. As it is, you have zero evidence whether there are wage issues." oh illegal immigrants are definitely suffering from wage abuse in this country Ogion, if th...

there are a three options: 1. we deport them all 2. we legalize them all 3. we do nothing option 3 is indefensible for me, but there's legitimate argument for 1 and 2, and I think the current proposition wouldn't be the end of the world. but after the legalization, we'd have to start enforcing borde...

frankly there are some real positives to this. 1. the economy doesn't undergo a shock from having a massive labor force removed from it (although with minimum wage laws now in full application, this could be significant... anyone have any studies trying to predict how this would affect us? I only ha...

I wonder how Americans would like the way Norway copes with that deregulation: Public tax returns that mean anyone can look up the salaries of anyone they know on an online computer system. I would legitimately be fine with this for a federal level. federal regulations lifted with all federal tax r...

Something I've always wondered... people praise the Scandinavian countries for their single payer systems, and social consideration. Bernie is always saying "we need to become like the rest of the democratic world" but... they never mention that MASSIVELY deregulated markets they have over there. I ...