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It is somewhat better but the core of it still blows. Its rotten and people enriching themselves on the walking corpses of men and women who other enriched themselves on before that

There is some small changes that seem.to be a small ray of hope but it's awful

When I had surgery not so long ago I was in my room waiting for dr

Dr comes in starts telling me I'll be ok then calls michael. My name ain't michael...

Its not? What's your ssn?

No. 123 45 6689

Oh. This ain't your chart

/facepalm. I never could find out what procedure 'michael was gonna have

Flash. It's why I have no faith in the government to produce even a functional result that wont cost 20 xs motorist me, I hate how insurance is now but the va....fuck that

@Stressed, I am sorry you had to deal with that. That is awful.

Meh

Nd. The government must intervene or else it will be ugly

100 percent capitalism is as bad as 100% communism

There must be regulations and such.

“So do you call public schools Marxist as well?” No. Because, in America, the parents have choice. They can home school and their are private schools. I do believe the government has some responsibilities such as basic services and defending the nation. The crux of the argument seems to be should the government provide everything? (marxist) Or, should individual citizens have some individual responsibility (sensible). I never said that everyone who disagrees with me wants the US to become like Soviet Russia or North Korea, but following a strict Marxist playbook, playing with identity politics, making some citizens second class, giving some citizens advantages over others, not enforcing the law, not enforcing the border, etc all of these coupled with extreme Marxist economic policies would make the US more like those places and all of those things are what the far-left, cultural Marxists, and Marxists want.

“Did you even read the article?”

Yeah, but if those advances don’t happen they will probably just pass further bills outlawing it. These people are nuts and want to make everyone poor while they and their cronies become the oligarchy. No. Building infrastructure is not Marxist.

I am glad we agree some on the farm issue. That’s good.

“Governments ALWAYS are intervening in Markets.” I don’t think that the government has a right or place to intervene in the Market. Sure, the government prohibits hardcore drugs right now. I don’t think the government should. I don’t think the government should phase out tobacco industry. My state recently raised the smoking age to 21. I think that is a big mistake. Citizens should be allowed to make their own choices. If they can vote or be drafted (if you are a male, but women should be drafted too -equal rights and all-) then they should be able to smoke or drink at 18. Heck, I’m for government deregulation of all drugs. So, I am against all government intervention in the market economy. I guess you found one area I am “liberal” on.

“You really are insane.” Who is the leader? The leader of the Global Warming conspiracy? To my knowledge there is no leader. The people making millions, probably billions, of dollars off of it know that it is fake. The scientists get grant money to investigate it. That money goes to their program and enriches them. The politicians on the left get to call for more regulation (which is their aim) and fundraise off of it (again enriching them). It’s just a scam for people at the top to get rich off the backs of poor, ignorant, fools willing to throw money at an imaginary issue. I feel sorry for the people who buy into it. The big, public leaders of the Global Warming Myth have private jets, multiple mansions, etc (see Al Gore). They don’t give AF. They only care how much money they can get from the ignorant fools to fuel their jets or put another payment on a house. The whole myth starting with green-communism in the 70s in the Soviet Union. It got picked up in the West and eventually the smart politicians on the left realized they could get rich off of it.

@Randomizer: Sure, the US government has nationalized industries before. As I said before, I don’t believe that the government should intervene in any sector of the economy. I am totally against that.

Well sorry it hasn't gotten much better than Stressed. I thought Trump tried to fix it.

Flash, its awful man I have to see a shrink for combat PTSD, she is pitiful She has this amazing ability to patronize all of her patients

Ill give you my personal example, but I have heard others from other guys (yes we talk, fuck their confidentiality)

So, she asked me what I do I told her I didn't work hard to find something for me (my wife owns a business I do participate in)

next question "maybe you should have went to college". this was more of a statement

I did maam

Oh, how nice, did you get an associates/…

uhh, no, I got a Masters degree actually, it was the one reason I went to the Army

Oh, did youg et it online?

not sure hwo this is relevant to PTSD, but no, I got it from a Big ten school, why?

its in my fucking file you nasty coochie.

This is what we get to deal with...its fucking amazing

ND, stop that was a pile of shit before Obama also It has gotten a little better in the past couple of years, at least here locally We have group pain therapy classes we didn't have before, we get free swimming passes to the YMCA now for those of us with bad knees (I have a pass there already, so it didn't help me, but my fellow vets get to take advantage of this)

We also have a nutritionist who schedules regular meetings with us, to make sure we are trying to eat right, and giving us a path we can follow

Now, for the bad...

I went in last month for an eyeglass appointment...feb something 2020....wtf is that shit? I just went and paid out of pocket, but many of these guys and gals cant. 8 god damn months for eye glasses?

Im on a 2 year waiting list for a knee replacement that I was trying to get for a long time BEFORE that cuz my knee got wrecked in the service like ….forever ago?

I aint ready to give the government that type of control Sorry, they suck at this one, and medicare...piss on em

"Trump fixed the VA though. It was Obama's fault."

From what I've read the VA was bad before Obama and hasn't improved under Trump. All Trump's done is tried to transfer money from the existing system to private companies without fixing anything. Even controlling Congress and the President it took until after the mid term election to pass legislation. Even worse Trump's continued the practice of closing cases so veterans have to refile from the start to reduce the case load.

From
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/government/worries-mount-va-races-launch-private-care-program-june

Congress did not appropriate additional money for the new program, though the VA says it has sufficient funding for 2019.

“These increased costs for Community Care will likely come at the expense of the VA’s direct system of care,” a group of Democratic senators led by Montana Sen. Jon Tester warned in January.

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random, I am not gonna comment on mnost of the other items, cuz it seems like a shit slinging contest, but honestly until the VA gets fixed, I am not okay with the government becoming involvd in another healthcare management program

I am not happy with the private right now, but as someone who uses the VA a lot, its a steaming pile of dogshit
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Why do you think the VA was shit? Was it underfunded? Bad management? Other reason(s)?
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I'll be responding a lot to the drivel of Flash and Rando tonight. However, I'll start with this. It was poor because Obama didn't care and doesn't care about our veterans and he ruined it. Trump fixed the VA though. It was Obama's fault.

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random, I am not gonna comment on mnost of the other items, cuz it seems like a shit slinging contest, but honestly until the VA gets fixed, I am not okay with the government becoming involvd in another healthcare management program

I am not happy with the private right now, but as someone who uses the VA a lot, its a steaming pile of dogshit
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Why do you think the VA was shit? Was it underfunded? Bad management? Other reason(s)?

random, I am not gonna comment on mnost of the other items, cuz it seems like a shit slinging contest, but honestly until the VA gets fixed, I am not okay with the government becoming involvd in another healthcare management program

I am not happy with the private right now, but as someone who uses the VA a lot, its a steaming pile of dogshit

@ND - There is a significant difference between what you consider Marxism in Western countries where they set up a system of national healthcare to benefit the people and Nationalism where a country seizes private businesses to exploit the wealth from them like taking oil and other natural resource companies in Communist and Third World countries.

Sure the US government doesn't have a great record with healthcare as seen in the VA system, but the private sector isn't better with denial of care and running up costs with unnecessary medical care.

New York subway system is another example too. It was at one point three different companies (BMT, IRT and the third one I forgot).

The US government has a long history of nationalizing private businesses for the good of the people.

Look at Amtrak which took over passenger rail service from several private railroads. It unified into one system several different lines that pretty much didn't compete since they ran in different parts of the country. True it hasn't been cost effective for most of its line, but neither were the private companies. If it was still run by private companies it would close down routes that are the primary transportation systems for lots of rural areas that don't have air or bus service.

From
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44973.pdf

"Amtrak was created because private-sector railroad companies in the United States lost money for decades operating intercity passenger rail service and wished to be relieved of the obligation to do so."

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“So these are Marxist countries then? Really?” Not necessarily, but universal healthcare is a Marxist policy because it is the intervention of government over the private sector and it nationalizes the sector thus making it government controlled and operated. Hence, the root of Marxism. Is it really necessary for me to explain to you what a Marxist policy is?
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So you do call public schools Marxist as well? Local fire departments Marxist? Perhaps your local water company (it is run by my local government so it is obviously Marxist!). Some people believe, as I do, that as an advanced wealthy society that we should be able to provide healthcare to all citizens. But most also want to live in a capitalist, democratic country too. It is just a part of modern government to strike the right balance between market and government just as we do with education or the local fire department or the local water company. You may disagree that this is not the right balance, but to suggest anyone that disagrees with you as effectively wanting the US to become like North Korea or Soviet Russia is just silly.

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“No the Green New Deal does not ban air travel (even though that banning air travel or not has nothing to do with Marxism): Actually, it does have something to do with Marxism.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/green-new-deal-ocasio-cortez-aims-to-make-air-travel-obsolete-aid-those-unwilling-to-work

So, yeah over a ten year period the bill aims to make air travel “Obsolete” hence codeword for the government to intervene and end the industry because it relies on ‘fossil fuels’.
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Did you even read the article???:

'The resolution also backs the concept of high-speed rail as a proposal to reduce carbon emissions -- but the FAQ goes so far as to urge that development “at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.”'

They are arguing that they can make air travel largely unnecessary through big advances in high speed rail. So building infrastructure is Marxist now? I think a lot of the short distance air travel could probably go away with much better high speed rail. It would be wonderful if we could remove a lot of the necessity of air travel. Whilst I think there belief that they can build so much that "air travel stops becoming necessary" is fantasy, I am not seeing anything wrong with big ideas here.

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And, yeah the bill aims to reduce cattle herds https://www.drovers.com/article/democrats-green-new-deal-wants-eliminate-farting-cows because Cows have a ‘negative’ effect you can read the headline I’m not going to be crass. When the government directly intervenes to mandate how a farmer can farm that is again a massive overstep of the government in the private sector and banning or reducing cattle would classify as a Marxist policy.
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They are writing stuff here for people that believe in Organic = health and Big Agriculture = bad. You can see this when they refer to "family farmers" (Big Agriculture = bad!!) and sustainable agriculture practices (Organic == good!). I don't subscribe to this stuff and I think by putting it in they made the "Green New Deal" lose focus. So some people have some different ideas on how we should grow food. Both you and I don't agree with them here but that doesn't make them Marxist.

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Furthermore, the government intervening and banning or making an industry obsolete is a Marxist policy because it is government intervention in a sector, nationalizing it or removing it altogether because it doesn’t meet the government’s idea or ‘command control plan’ for how the economy should operate. These policies would bring the US economy closer in line with https://www.britannica.com/topic/command-economy a command economy which is what Marxist governments used in the 20th century like in the USSR or Warsaw Bloc countries. The government would in effect dictate what industries were prioritized, etc. So, yeah it has everything to do with Marxism and is a Marxist plan.
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Governments ALWAYS are intervening in markets. Some markets would not exist (e.g. the banking sector) without the laws and regulations the governments provides. Governments often decide to bad whole sectors which are seen as detrimental to society. Would you call government intervention to criminalize the sale of crack cocaine or meth Marxism?? Through government regulation we are gradually phasing out the tobacco industry too. There is no debate about whether governments should intervene at all in markets, it is only a question of how much. Again you can disagree with where the line should be, but just because someone wants a little more intervention than you do doesn't make them a Marxist or their concerns Marxist.

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How does the Green New Deal directly relate to Marxism beyond Command Economy tenets? It operates under the fake belief in Global Warming. All Global Warming is, is a catch all umbrella term that allows the ‘Democrats’ or Marxists to push for greater government intervention in the private sector and private citizens lives in an insane and fake effort to control the climate. It simply is Green-Communism and naturally the whole idea for Global Warming or Global Cooling (whatever they are calling it now adays) came from the Soviet Union in the 1980s. It’s fake and an excuse to dictate and control people’s lives. It’s so sad that so many people are brainwashed by this lie. Even if it was real there is nothing we can do about it.
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You really are insane. You really believe that it is all a conspiracy?? Who is the leader? George Soros perhaps?

Even if global warming does not turn out as bad as feared there are many other reasons to wean ourselves from fossil fuels. From the other pollution they generate, to the fact that we will eventually run out of them, to the fact that it causes us to need to get involved in too many wars. To say we should just ignore all their negative effects is beyond madness.

I haven't mentioned ethnicity or religion once. You have. I don't buy into that stuff. It has nothing to do with this.

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I am all for robust debate but this stuff is just silly.
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Yeah linking a wiki page to someone who has studied the Frankfurt School for most of their adult life and read the papers from the school in German is pretty silly I agree. But, whatever helps you sleep at night friend! Do what you need to do! Lol, but you are one silly little snowflake man.
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You pointed me to the Frankfurt school Wikipedia page which points out the loopy, anti-semitic "cultural marxism" conspiracy bollocks which I all know all too well about. Your "appeal to authority" argument doesn't make the conspiracy less crazy and dumb.

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I am all for robust debate but this stuff is just silly.
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Yeah linking a wiki page to someone who has studied the Frankfurt School for most of their adult life and read the papers from the school in German is pretty silly I agree. But, whatever helps you sleep at night friend! Do what you need to do! Lol, but you are one silly little snowflake man.