A_Tin_Can wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:12 pm

> I would have predicted an English win based on board position.

Go on....

There was no way that any nation would have gotten into the English seas which means they have a lot of protected builds without many forces needed to guard them.

A_Tin_Can wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:07 pm

Interesting analysis, though! I'm curious how you decided who was working together and who wasn't- there were some turns there where it's hard to say for sure - and in many games I've been in, I don't think the alliance structure is well represented from the moves.

Also, was this a game with press, or no press?

It was a Gunboat game, so no press. I mostly looked at whether a nation was actively attacking, passively waiting to attack, moving away from, or working to help another nation. That was my scale.

Also Turkey did not win, we stopped him at 17.

Hey! I was France in this game. It was a no press gunboat tournament game.

Apparently this was a gunboat game among F2F players for additional context.

> I would have predicted an English win based on board position.

Go on....

Interesting analysis, though! I'm curious how you decided who was working together and who wasn't- there were some turns there where it's hard to say for sure - and in many games I've been in, I don't think the alliance structure is well represented from the moves.

Also, was this a game with press, or no press?

I think the point Octavious was making is that you *didn't* go for the most recognisable flag:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Jack

Ha. I just went for the most recognizable flag. Totally inaccurate I know. I did the same for Russia. I also called them England / Britain interchangeably, which I know drives some people nuts. Oh well.

Turkey seems to have counted on the other powers squabbling and he pounced at the right moments. I would have predicted an English win based on board position. The second last turn had Turkey in Nap. The only other available place for him to secure a build would have been Mun. I'm guessing that England didn't want Turkey to win, and he had the power to stop Turkey. So, without seeing the final move, I think Italy, who was mostly dead, must have united with Turkey. I could be wrong though.

Firstly, I'm a little curious over why you're using a flag that stopped being used over 200 years ago to represent England. The current Union Flag, or even the Cross of St George, are both acceptable options. A relic of the American rebellion is a distraction.

In terms of the game, it's still a mystery to me why Turkey won. There's no obvious reason why he should have. He's not managed to sneak a unit across the stalemate line or anything like that (although I find it very hard to tell on the Backstabbr map). Did someone missorder? Was there an unfortunate Civil Disorder? Did Turkey make a deal with someone to throw the game? Your comment in the end that Italy maybe joined forces with Turkey to end the game... what is that based on exactly?

I thought it would be fun and rewarding to look at how alliances shifted in a game that lasted until 1934. By 1923, 6 out of 7 nations were still alive. This game really shows how important it is to be fluid with your allies. Let me know if you notice anything I didn't that led to this win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIm0bF7EOTk